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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 7, 2019 19:38:42 GMT
So I went and found this list. Just want to point out that it's actually in the Dark Legacy theme list. Not Hearts of Darkness that everyone is complaining about. Cheers, Dave I know. That's what I meant by 'Pure infernals army', but I couldn't remember the name of the theme Cool. Think I misunderstood you previously, apologies. Cheers, Dave
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Post by habaguero on Mar 7, 2019 21:06:26 GMT
I am willing to bet there is a decent Vlad3 list in Hearts of Darkness.
Fenris 2x Drakhuns
Outriders Uhlans
Pepper with battlegroup, Infernal solos.
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Post by Juris on Mar 7, 2019 21:14:04 GMT
That just doesn't work. Getting damaged during your own turn does nothing for vengeance. Also since you are controling the model at the time it doesn't count as an enemy model. The model you should be looking at to break Butcher3 is Mordecai. Also you can casually take Sorscha0 in heart of darkness at pretty much no cost and minimal theme limitations. It doesn't say it is your model in the wording for dark seduction. "Take control of target enemy non-warcaster, non-warlock warrior model. You can immediately make a full advance with that enemy model followed by a basic attack, then Dark Seduction expires. The enemy model cannot be targeted by free strikes during this movement. Dark Seduction can be cast only once per activation. A model can be affected by Dark Seduction only once per turn." the main issue is whether it expires. Probably does.
And yes, Mordecia, plus the -5 range guy, plus the hex blast solo plus windwall makes for an uber Voltron list (depending on the merc restrictions you could continue to layer things on like Orin. I have run Voltron before - it was "fun"
Whenever a rule says "take control," that model becomes your model during that period of time (and not an enemy model). Also, for the record, if vengeance is triggered during your turn (such as by a free strike or countercharge, etc.), then you do get a vengeance move during your next maintenance phase.
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Post by Juris on Mar 7, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Folks: the premise — that now we can lump any old random Khador, Cygnar, and Crucible Guard model’s together in a list — is literally false. Pick *one* of those factions when building a list with this theme, and use models from Infernals and that faction only. (Also, last I checked, the main tournament format disallows both lists from using the same theme...) Only Champions disallows that. Champions is not the "main tournament format."
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Post by sand20go on Mar 7, 2019 23:28:52 GMT
And with that Hearts gets taken off the table - which frankly is a good thing and makes a ton of sense. Now I can get back to practicing Sorscha ;-)
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Post by Soul Samurai on Mar 8, 2019 4:51:31 GMT
I think postponing it until later was a good call; let every focus on Infernals themselves for now. At the same time I think it's good that we know about it now, as it gives everyone time to get used to the idea so that we'll be more prepared to go in and test it with and open mind when it does hit CID.
On a slightly different note, I heard Howlers are SPD 5 DEF 12 ARM 17 with 8 wounds? I REALLY hate it when PP creates medium based infantry models that have strictly better defensive stats than MOW, and then give them higher SPD as well: it's MK2 all over again! If you want to give them higher DEF then give them lower ARM, or vice versa; making them better at both AND faster is just a slap in the face.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 8, 2019 6:09:55 GMT
I hope the howlers drop to 5 boxes each. Solos are starting to be toned down in the CiD as expected.
Looking forward to the Oblivion CiD now to get a chance to try out whatever Hearts of Darkness returns as.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Mr.Human on Mar 8, 2019 7:17:57 GMT
First thought this thread meant S0 had finally been released but priced absurdly, but it was just the infernals, meh They should have left the cross faction nonsense off from the start, we have Minions, Mercs, partisans and fluff games for that.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Mar 8, 2019 8:56:32 GMT
But Vlad2 in this new theme with S0- EVEN BEFORE MORDICIA or vengenance, the crabguys get to SP 5+3+3+2+2=15 threat at POW 16, likely under Hand of Fate, with 2 initials, zerk, and arcane might to boost the second damage. Howlers only have one initial attack.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 8, 2019 9:30:41 GMT
Again, in that Vlad2 example: demo corps threat 14 in that exact list, but hit much harder. So again, it's options as opposed to one thing being clearly better than the other.
Anyway, it's all irrelevant now. But there was a lot of overreacting going on with Hearts of Darkness.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by auraco on Mar 8, 2019 11:51:37 GMT
Again, in that Vlad2 example: demo corps threat 14 in that exact list, but hit much harder. So again, it's options as opposed to one thing being clearly better than the other. Anyway, it's all irrelevant now. But there was a lot of overreacting going on with Hearts of Darkness. Cheers, Dave Considering that as it was Heart of darkness was the closest we got to a khador "irregulars" but with the super powerful infernal solos on top of it, I'm not so sure it was an overreaction.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Mar 8, 2019 12:47:29 GMT
That's kind of my point: the issue is the Infernal solos, not what they did with the theme force.
Anyway, doesn't matter now. Looking forward to the Oblivion CiD to see what comes up.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Ganso on Mar 8, 2019 19:57:06 GMT
If what they want to do is make infernalist out of other factions, then I frankly thing the most sensible thing they could do is modify certain Themes to say that you must choose either Merc or Infernal, and that you can take 1 solo, unit, etc. in army building and call it good.
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Post by Havock on Mar 12, 2019 18:10:16 GMT
That and update certain casters to become partisan/split loyalty.
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