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Post by sand20go on Mar 6, 2019 20:18:25 GMT
In case you missed it, one of the 2 new themes in infernals allows you to take a Khador caster, non-character jacks, 3 khador solos (no restrictions), 2 khador units (no restrictions) and then infernal solos, units, structures and their "junior" and play as infernals. Free stuff generated off your infernals (every 20 points), upkeeps out for free. You can also bring (unclear what this means in practice) a merc solo and a merc unit that works for infernals (and thus might not work for us).
I didn't see the start (masters and horrors) but off the top of head this could be very strong. The solos and the medium based units are strictly better than the DemoCorp package (cheaper, innate tough, innate vengenance) under Irusk2. I would think Butcher 3 is very strong with the shield guard super solos that pop out. We would get access to shadowfire and then a bonkers solo that can simply move up and stop a unit from getting/giving orders.
But the pretty interesting thing on that front could be the ability to MIX SOLOS from our different themes. I want to think about that some more but getting widows into an AC oriented theme is pretty darn good.
The other 2 factions that won that lotto are cynar and cruciable guard. It is all about fluff - the idea that some of us have been working all these years for the darkside.
Go forth and break it guys....and lobby hard that it isn't broken in the CID ;-)
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Post by hocestbellum on Mar 6, 2019 21:00:46 GMT
Heh, nope! Not touching that... No way I'd find working through combinations of 4 different factions anything but intensely frustrating, especially given the timescale.
Interesting idea though.
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Post by auraco on Mar 6, 2019 21:03:32 GMT
Seriously, this thing is bad for the game. I think it's horrible that I can quickly think of more broken stuff to do with khador in infernals than in khador proper because of the lack of theme restriction on the solos, while taking the absurdly strong solos from infernal. I don't even care about the horror and the infernal masters, just the non restrictive theme force with all the good solo and still free points makes it enough to make me not ever want to play khador outside of infernal ever again.
I seriously hope this things dies in the egg or gets severely more restricted than that. I'll be trying it out friday, and I don't expect my games to last long considering what can be done.
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Post by hocestbellum on Mar 6, 2019 21:26:47 GMT
Mordecai in particular looks noteworthy; Faction-wide tactician bubble since all models are infernals, and he has Rebuke and Pursuit as battleplans on a 5 point model
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Post by auraco on Mar 6, 2019 21:57:07 GMT
Mordecai in particular looks noteworthy; Faction-wide tactician bubble since all models are infernals, and he has Rebuke and Pursuit as battleplans on a 5 point model You're clearly not thinking big enoug, imagine the insidious plan pursuit on Butcher3 who can also casually take Sorscha0 in a list with a dude that gives -5 range to guns. Or howlers on Vlad2's feat and boundless charge to solves their pathfinder issues. With the build in grevious wounds it looks glorious. No seriously Building a khador army without theme restriction, still getting free points and taking the super strong infernal solos seems to put regular khador in the dirt. This doesn't even seems fun.
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Post by jonnyboy on Mar 6, 2019 22:13:28 GMT
I'm extremely hesitant. OW1 who is limited by her small soul collection range, now has access to a mobile 10" collection. Think about that...
Edit: also the souls can come from friendly faction. I bring mechanics and whatever other squishy models i can bring, sacrifice them to her murder of crows pit turn 1 for 20+ focus turn 2. All because d'vayros can collect friendly souls.
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Post by sand20go on Mar 6, 2019 22:22:36 GMT
I'm extremely hesitant. OW1 who is limited by her small soul collection range, now has access to a mobile 10" collection. Think about that... Edit: also the souls can come from friendly faction. I bring mechanics and whatever other squishy models i can bring, sacrifice them to her murder of crows pit turn 1 for 20+ focus turn 2. All because d'vayros can collect friendly souls. Thankfully I don't think that works because he has to be attached to an infernal master and she wouldn't be an infernal master.
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Post by sand20go on Mar 6, 2019 22:28:08 GMT
LOL. You can use the princess to dark seduction a model to go over and hit the argus to trigger vengenance ;-) THAT will be the ultimate NPE.
That works (I think) because the damage would have taken place in the "last round" - right?
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Post by auraco on Mar 6, 2019 22:31:47 GMT
LOL. You can use the princess to dark seduction a model to go over and hit the argus to trigger vengenance ;-) THAT will be the ultimate NPE.
That works (I think) because the damage would have taken place in the "last round" - right?
That just doesn't work. Getting damaged during your own turn does nothing for vengeance. Also since you are controling the model at the time it doesn't count as an enemy model. The model you should be looking at to break Butcher3 is Mordecai. Also you can casually take Sorscha0 in heart of darkness at pretty much no cost and minimal theme limitations.
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Post by jonnyboy on Mar 6, 2019 22:42:16 GMT
I'm extremely hesitant. OW1 who is limited by her small soul collection range, now has access to a mobile 10" collection. Think about that... Edit: also the souls can come from friendly faction. I bring mechanics and whatever other squishy models i can bring, sacrifice them to her murder of crows pit turn 1 for 20+ focus turn 2. All because d'vayros can collect friendly souls. Thankfully I don't think that works because he has to be attached to an infernal master and she wouldn't be an infernal master. Thankfully
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Post by sand20go on Mar 6, 2019 22:47:36 GMT
LOL. You can use the princess to dark seduction a model to go over and hit the argus to trigger vengenance ;-) THAT will be the ultimate NPE.
That works (I think) because the damage would have taken place in the "last round" - right?
That just doesn't work. Getting damaged during your own turn does nothing for vengeance. Also since you are controling the model at the time it doesn't count as an enemy model. The model you should be looking at to break Butcher3 is Mordecai. Also you can casually take Sorscha0 in heart of darkness at pretty much no cost and minimal theme limitations. It doesn't say it is your model in the wording for dark seduction. "Take control of target enemy non-warcaster, non-warlock warrior model. You can immediately make a full advance with that enemy model followed by a basic attack, then Dark Seduction expires. The enemy model cannot be targeted by free strikes during this movement. Dark Seduction can be cast only once per activation. A model can be affected by Dark Seduction only once per turn." the main issue is whether it expires. Probably does.
And yes, Mordecia, plus the -5 range guy, plus the hex blast solo plus windwall makes for an uber Voltron list (depending on the merc restrictions you could continue to layer things on like Orin. I have run Voltron before - it was "fun"
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Post by hocestbellum on Mar 6, 2019 22:57:38 GMT
Heh, OW2 with the -5 range guy for a -10 range bubble.
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Post by Ganso on Mar 6, 2019 23:05:09 GMT
Well, without being reactive, I actually don't think this theme will make it to the live game. Sad cause I really wanted to play with Pricess Regna in a Khadoran army
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Post by auraco on Mar 6, 2019 23:14:32 GMT
Well, without being reactive, I actually don't think this theme will make it to the live game. Sad cause I really wanted to play with Pricess Regna in a Khadoran army I think this theme not seeing competitive play is probably best for the health of the game.
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Post by Ganso on Mar 6, 2019 23:18:03 GMT
Well, I think we need to test and prove it without being reactive.
Heaven forbid the Devs try anything remotely risky (like Khador arc nodes).
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