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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 29, 2019 6:06:23 GMT
Some models seem to be have directly designed with the Cauldron as part of their synergy, namely Caul I think. He will never really be able to get 3 corpse tokens without the Cauldron and I feel like B&C were designed as a fire and forget missile meant to hit way above their weight class (kind Great Bears of Circle). Note that the Well of Orboros can also pass corpse tokens around.
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Post by snap on Apr 30, 2019 10:00:17 GMT
The nice thing about the well is it will contribute more positively to killing your opponents stuff. Thought it does have the drawback of allowing your opponent to not give you corpses from their support.
It's a meta puzzle. You either bring stuff that's good at killing tharn or you bring next to no corpses in your list and big stuff that is ok at killing tharn.
I feel that the jack/beast brick style of play is a pretty strong counter to DH at the moment.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 30, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
The nice thing about the well is it will contribute more positively to killing your opponents stuff. Thought it does have the drawback of allowing your opponent to not give you corpses from their support. It's a meta puzzle. You either bring stuff that's good at killing tharn or you bring next to no corpses in your list and big stuff that is ok at killing tharn. I feel that the jack/beast brick style of play is a pretty strong counter to DH at the moment. Problem is that it's not always efficient to trade a heavy for a tharn or two when Ghettorix, or whatever second heavy you have, comes to kill it in retaliation. But yes, it's playable.
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Post by snap on Apr 30, 2019 19:16:34 GMT
That's right!
Something like Karchev's counter charge would work. You just have to buy a truck load of jacks.
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Post by paradox on Apr 30, 2019 20:05:35 GMT
Feora1. She has lots of tharn answers.
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Post by kineath on May 3, 2019 9:17:26 GMT
Maybe Deathpowered isn't even that bad if he can't be full of corpses turn 1. If he has to kill enemy models in order to get full it at least gives your opponent a turn to deal with him. It's still pretty brutal. Having finally put him on the table the other day I'm getting what all the fuss is about, and I didn't play him with the pot. With that huge range and Stealth to help cover the approach, it can be hard to deal with him til after he's had his fun. Not impossible, of course, just hard. And if he gets a few models in his reach, he'll likely have corpse tokens by the time he's finished his initial spin... Deathpowered with 2 corpses (after buying an attack) meant he was pretty much auto-killing some reasonably hefty infantry without boosts, so every attack bought paid for itself with another corpse. I think that was felt so lopsided in our game at least; that I could keep buying attacks forever, and still end on 3 corpses for the ARM buff. It felt like it should at least cost me something to keep buying attacks.
I don't normally like to wildly speculate about how to fix a model - I don't really see the point - but maybe if he could only get corpses from his initials, not the bought attacks? So that the bought attacks would actually cost you ARM later, and would have a limit? That would make for a pretty fiddly rule though, and would be different from the normal Heart Eater.
I still am not sure Lord of the Feast in itself is such a big problem. He is also free in Call of the Wild. And yet I hear no complaint for him there. What is the Dev Host theme benefit for corpses would only work for tharn? It would be a kick down for the deathwolves. But I don't see them being taken anyway. It would remove the free corpses for LotF an CrocPot
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Post by Dev Null on May 4, 2019 3:35:56 GMT
It's still pretty brutal. Having finally put him on the table the other day I'm getting what all the fuss is about...
I still am not sure Lord of the Feast in itself is such a big problem. He is also free in Call of the Wild. And yet I hear no complaint for him there. Well for what it's worth, it was in Call that I played him. And to be fair, my opponent didn't complain about it being unbalanced, but it felt like it to me, even without the free corpses or a pot. If it wasn't a free model, I think it would have been fine, but that much work for free felt broken to me.
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