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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 18, 2019 6:27:51 GMT
So, I remember there being a Kallus2 thread on here a while back, but its pretty old and I believe it was pre-Primal Terrors. And I don't want to necro.
That said, what are we looking at now? Archangel is obvious his best option in terms of beasts. I know Raeks were fairly popular with him because of his field marshal. But, I don't know how I feel about his spell list. Blazing Path is basically fire immunity on a stick. Its not a feat activator: if stuff is ending within 2", then you're already too close for the feat. Overrun is cool and Brand of Fire is an expensive feat activator. Battle Lust is... nice? But kinda goes against the rest of his kit.
I don't know, whats the general consensus nowadays? Is Primal Terrors once again our go-to or is viable in other themes?
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Post by eauc on Feb 18, 2019 9:47:02 GMT
Archangel is obvious his best option in terms of beasts. I still struggle with the whole "Archangel" and "best option" in the same sentence thing, without "not" anywhere
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Post by dogganmguest on Feb 18, 2019 10:15:32 GMT
How does blazing path not help the feat when it can set enemies on fire up to (14 + base) inches from Kallus?
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 18, 2019 10:17:51 GMT
I think AA with chosen in terrors can be really powerfull, but you kinda throw away his overrun spell. Not necessarily a bad/weak thing but it's allways nice to use the whole toolset, and I think you need childeren for that.
The 50 points of nephilim (Azrael, zuriel and boltthrower) plus raptors are great for him. He can focus on his overrunning and setting up the feat for whatever else you want to add to the list (warlords, swordmen etc), while raptors do their ranged thing, and buff them with the warriorbuff I forgot the name of ones raptors want to hit melee.
Kallus is difficult because you can't normally play the overrun game while also buffing warriors, but raptors get around that. The characternephs have straightup con.fire, which is why I think childeren is the place for kallus.
Obviously terrors is powerfull and can make everything work, including Kallus.
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Post by krosan on Feb 18, 2019 10:45:42 GMT
There was a pretty succesful Kallus 2 PT list from the ATC
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Post by copperflame on Feb 18, 2019 14:28:19 GMT
I have always been told - either you focus on Overrun OR Battle Lust ... but Kallus can't (or have the available options to do so) to do both. Similar to dirtyharrypotter - Children is as close as I can get to utilizing K2's full kit. Now, I've theorized K2 in Ravens of War with the Archangel, I believe using Neph to spread around the animus so AA has even more punch... because the AA does seem like a natural choice for K2. But I haven't run the list and fear that I'm putting too many eggs in a very fragile basket. I would love to see the K2 Terror's list. Is it really AA + Chosen? Does that just focusing on rushing up with Battle Lusted Chosen and mop-up with AA? I guess avoid shooting lists?
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thelat
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Kallus2?
Feb 18, 2019 16:59:45 GMT
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Post by thelat on Feb 18, 2019 16:59:45 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Chosen + Blightbringer in most lists, but particularly in Kallus2.
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Feb 18, 2019 17:48:53 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 18, 2019 17:48:53 GMT
How does blazing path not help the feat when it can set enemies on fire up to (14 + base) inches from Kallus? By the time enemies get close enough for Blazing Path to trigger, you’re already in melee range...
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Feb 18, 2019 17:49:50 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 18, 2019 17:49:50 GMT
Archangel is obvious his best option in terms of beasts. I still struggle with the whole "Archangel" and "best option" in the same sentence thing, without "not" anywhere How is it not required? Its the only thing in Legion that puts out fire (non-crit).
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Feb 18, 2019 17:52:48 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 18, 2019 17:52:48 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Chosen + Blightbringer in most lists, but particularly in Kallus2. How do you get out fire with that list? Send one Chosen unit up and hold the other one back?
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 18, 2019 18:45:37 GMT
I still struggle with the whole "Archangel" and "best option" in the same sentence thing, without "not" anywhere How is it not required? Its the only thing in Legion that puts out fire (non-crit). zuriel and azrael do as well How does blazing path not help the feat when it can set enemies on fire up to (14 + base) inches from Kallus? By the time enemies get close enough for Blazing Path to trigger, you’re already in melee range... that's why we have martyrs. I love those uns
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Feb 18, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Feb 18, 2019 19:00:43 GMT
How is it not required? Its the only thing in Legion that puts out fire (non-crit). zuriel and azrael do as well By the time enemies get close enough for Blazing Path to trigger, you’re already in melee range... that's why we have martyrs. I love those uns So, Spell Martyrs for Brand of Fire, not Blazing Path. If a model dies, then Blazing Path won’t trigger it.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Feb 18, 2019 19:39:12 GMT
Fun interaction with blazing path and brand of fire. But requires a succubus.
Cast BP turn one. Turn two free upkeep. Then run a spell martyr within 5" of targets you want on fire. Then cast Brand At the spell martyr. The Martyr is immune to fire damage. You set stuff on fire with the secondary effect of the spell. Then cast Brand Through the martyr to light up other things further away. More bang for your buck.
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Post by thelat on Feb 18, 2019 20:02:08 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Chosen + Blightbringer in most lists, but particularly in Kallus2. How do you get out fire with that list? Send one Chosen unit up and hold the other one back? My game plan never hinges on Kallus2's feat. It's nice when it comes up, but I'm not going to build a list around a 3" charge extension.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Feb 18, 2019 20:41:55 GMT
zuriel and azrael do as well that's why we have martyrs. I love those uns So, Spell Martyrs for Brand of Fire, not Blazing Path. If a model dies, then Blazing Path won’t trigger it. woops I did mix those up didn't I? I forgot blazing path even existed 😅
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