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Post by Soul Samurai on Feb 4, 2019 18:17:42 GMT
Why does Shield Guard stop him from teleporting?
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Feb 4, 2019 18:20:54 GMT
So just reading through this and are people only seeing LotF with Iona and without stones? I see the 16" threat number being thrown around but if you lock that in your mind you'll end up being caught off guard. Standing in a triangle of stones he immediately goes up to 18" and its not had to have that triangle behind a forest. Also be careful of any of the following just in case: - Grayle feat makes him base 19 and 21" if he's can do it in the stones. Stormrager makes him mat 10 and P+S 18. - Kreuger 2 TK adds 2" to everything he does - Mohsar Mirrage adds 2" to everything he does - any list with Lanyssa means his charge is 13" out not 11". Add 2 to 3" for any of the above casters on that. So with Grayle he's got a possible 16" CHARGE range and 24" bird. Then there are a bunch of damage buffs that push him up to P+S 18. Don't just assume the Iona match up because she actually does nothing for him. He's much worse in other lists and it gets stupid fast. Best tactic I've seen for controlling him is to have all of the most vulnerable models stand around a shield guard such that there isn't a landing spot for him near the shield guard. That way when you guard the bird shot he has to stay where he is because he's legally not allowed to teleport. Thanks. So far only seen in Iona but you are right - all the above just further abuses him. Outside of San Diego, San you will see the Lady of the Feast in literally every list unless it is Bones or a special snowflake Secret Masters list. Lady of the Feast with Iona, Wurmwood, Kreuger1, Kreguer2, Morvhana1/2, Baldur1, and Mohsar are all common enough. If you are worried about the threat ranges with Iona, wait until you face it with Mohsar and your opponent can place a pillar of salt, charge their own pillar, and then shoot the Raven into your stuff. This is a Top of 1 play to get into your advanced deployment, or Bottom of 1 play to go deeper than you want.
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Juris
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Post by Juris on Feb 4, 2019 18:21:45 GMT
Why does Shield Guard stop him from teleporting? Because if you shield guard to a model that is surrounded such that there is no valid landing spot, the Lady of the Feast cannot be placed.
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Post by streetpizza on Feb 4, 2019 18:31:37 GMT
Thanks. So far only seen in Iona but you are right - all the above just further abuses him. Outside of San Diego, San you will see the Lady of the Feast in literally every list unless it is Bones or a special snowflake Secret Masters list. Lady of the Feast with Iona, Wurmwood, Kreuger1, Kreguer2, Morvhana1/2, Baldur1, and Mohsar are all common enough. If you are worried about the threat ranges with Iona, wait until you face it with Mohsar and your opponent can place a pillar of salt, charge their own pillar, and then shoot the Raven into your stuff. This is a Top of 1 play to get into your advanced deployment, or Bottom of 1 play to go deeper than you want. Yeah ... I'm personally running her/him (DON'T YOU DARE MISGENDER MY SOLO!!) with Una2 in call of the wild. Mirrage+stones and he/she's going 20" and arriving with hand of fate up on top of puppet master. That's on top of my other list which is Morvahna1 where dropping mortality on something (including colossals/gargantuans because of no healing) almost guarantees that its crippled or dead next turn thanks to divine inspiration from the blood shaman and the +2mat/str. Thing is its not really the feast him/herself that's OP but the wide range of buffs that circle can now offer such a long threat range model that's pushing things over the edge. I think if the croc pot couldn't fuel him you'd be seeing a very different story about his/her inclusion in lists
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Post by sand20go on Feb 4, 2019 18:38:08 GMT
Thanks. So far only seen in Iona but you are right - all the above just further abuses him. Outside of San Diego, San you will see the Lady of the Feast in literally every list unless it is Bones or a special snowflake Secret Masters list. Lady of the Feast with Iona, Wurmwood, Kreuger1, Kreguer2, Morvhana1/2, Baldur1, and Mohsar are all common enough. If you are worried about the threat ranges with Iona, wait until you face it with Mohsar and your opponent can place a pillar of salt, charge their own pillar, and then shoot the Raven into your stuff. This is a Top of 1 play to get into your advanced deployment, or Bottom of 1 play to go deeper than you want. Is that permitted because the Pillar isn't considered "your model"?
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Post by streetpizza on Feb 4, 2019 18:41:13 GMT
The text of the pillar spell contains an entry that says
"The AOE can be targeted and charged as if it were a huge based model." without designation for player. As such the player casting it can still charge it. It otherwise is not a model period to ownership is irrelevant.
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Post by vlad on Feb 4, 2019 22:25:30 GMT
Great observation. I think you are exactly right about Andy2 - high skill cap but if you can get him to work - Oiy! Are you playing him with Double shocks or some other load out? I think your suggestion to get rid of Death powered OR to change it just to an Arm buff makes the most sense. I love him as an infantry clearer and that feels "fair". But to provide POW 16 Thresher followed by the corpse mechanic is just really really strong - especially when it is relatively trivial for him to have 3 corpses on him. I was playing single Shocks and single Demos with four Tankers and a Drakhun all games, and never felt the need for more Shocks. If Malakov2’s feat is timed well and synched with the Demo’s mini feat, they are a real pain in the behind to deal with. Here’s the list for reference: Kommander Andrei Malakov - WJ: +28 - Victor - PC: 34 (Battlegroup Points Used: 28) Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 5 Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 5 Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4 Man-O-War Drakhun - PC: 9 - Man-O-War Drakhun (Continued) Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Man-O-War Demolition Corps - Leader & 4 Grunts: 14 - Sergeant Dragos Dragadovich - PC: 0 Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7 Kayazy Eliminators - Leader & Grunt: 5
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Post by joedj on Feb 5, 2019 5:51:45 GMT
Outside of San Diego, San you will see the Lady of the Feast in literally every list unless it is Bones or a special snowflake Secret Masters list. Lady of the Feast with Iona, Wurmwood, Kreuger1, Kreguer2, Morvhana1/2, Baldur1, and Mohsar are all common enough. If you are worried about the threat ranges with Iona, wait until you face it with Mohsar and your opponent can place a pillar of salt, charge their own pillar, and then shoot the Raven into your stuff. This is a Top of 1 play to get into your advanced deployment, or Bottom of 1 play to go deeper than you want. Yeah ... I'm personally running her/him (DON'T YOU DARE MISGENDER MY SOLO!!) with Una2 in call of the wild. Mirrage+stones and he/she's going 20" and arriving with hand of fate up on top of puppet master. That's on top of my other list which is Morvahna1 where dropping mortality on something (including colossals/gargantuans because of no healing) almost guarantees that its crippled or dead next turn thanks to divine inspiration from the blood shaman and the +2mat/str. Thing is its not really the feast him/herself that's OP but the wide range of buffs that circle can now offer such a long threat range model that's pushing things over the edge. I think if the croc pot couldn't fuel him you'd be seeing a very different story about his/her inclusion in lists Change that one fact, "target Friendly Faction", like they did with 99% of other Minion/Merc models from MKII (Pendrake, where have you gone?). But do it after another 3 months. Let Circle cheese have a quarter/half year before the screeching of 'foiled, betrayed!!' begins.
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Post by redheadtheruthless on Feb 5, 2019 6:17:02 GMT
Yeah the pot definitely pushes LotF and Caul over the top, not having corpses be something you can play around but just something that is free to hand out skews their power by a lot, not to mention the puppet master.
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