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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2019 6:50:17 GMT
So, um. How the @%#! do I beat Krueger2? I see absolutely no weakness in his battle-plan. Honestly just seems completely absurd. I could try Fyanna and just run forward, feat, and hope for the best, but I don't want to play Fyanna every. single. game.
Any tips against him would be greatly appreciated because he is an absolute nightmare for me right now.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 7:25:22 GMT
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 31, 2019 7:25:22 GMT
So, um. How the @%#! do I beat Krueger2? I see absolutely no weakness in his battle-plan. Honestly just seems completely absurd. I could try Fyanna and just run forward, feat, and hope for the best, but I don't want to play Fyanna every. single. game. Any tips against him would be greatly appreciated because he is an absolute nightmare for me right now. Not to be rude what kruger two list are you asking about? I know of two running around the meta right now.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 9:00:48 GMT
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Post by snotling on Jan 31, 2019 9:00:48 GMT
You take some ogrun and rotwings and trollolol him off the table? stones just dont do enough damage.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 16:48:14 GMT
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Post by voidbender on Jan 31, 2019 16:48:14 GMT
I've had some luck with Kallus1 in Ravens, not too different from the PT list substituting grots for rots and raptors for chosen.
I usually play beast focused lists, in which case I advance as fast as i can in relative safety, which puts enough pressure for him to cast his spell against ranged attacks, limiting what he can do offensively. When I can no longer advance in safety i'll offer a juicy target in range to be charged with a TK chain. If he tramples a heavy forward to geomancy TK on my beast and charges with another to kill it, I am in position to remove both of those heavies in trade. If he doesn't take the bait then my bait beast is close enough to be a threat of its own.
Easier said than done, of course.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 19:25:37 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2019 19:25:37 GMT
I've had some luck with Kallus1 in Ravens, not too different from the PT list substituting grots for rots and raptors for chosen. I usually play beast focused lists, in which case I advance as fast as i can in relative safety, which puts enough pressure for him to cast his spell against ranged attacks, limiting what he can do offensively. When I can no longer advance in safety i'll offer a juicy target in range to be charged with a TK chain. If he tramples a heavy forward to geomancy TK on my beast and charges with another to kill it, I am in position to remove both of those heavies in trade. If he doesn't take the bait then my bait beast is close enough to be a threat of its own. Easier said than done, of course. How do you deal with his feat? Thats the kicker for me right now. My usual style of play is to simply hug the edge of threat ranges on my first turn and then attack on the second, but that usually puts him pushing my army back to deployment, especially if he goes first (I always have terrible initiative rolls). I just simply can’t deal with the -2 speed and push.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 19:26:11 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2019 19:26:11 GMT
You take some ogrun and rotwings and trollolol him off the table? stones just dont do enough damage. How do you deal with his feat? Thats the kicker for me right now. My usual style of play is to simply hug the edge of threat ranges on my first turn and then attack on the second, but that usually puts him pushing my army back to deployment, especially if he goes first (I always have terrible initiative rolls). I just simply can’t deal with the -2 speed and push.
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Krueger2
Jan 31, 2019 19:29:59 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2019 19:29:59 GMT
So, um. How the @%#! do I beat Krueger2? I see absolutely no weakness in his battle-plan. Honestly just seems completely absurd. I could try Fyanna and just run forward, feat, and hope for the best, but I don't want to play Fyanna every. single. game. Any tips against him would be greatly appreciated because he is an absolute nightmare for me right now. Not to be rude what kruger two list are you asking about? I know of two running around the meta right now. I just played against him in secret masters. Druids of Orboros, double swamp shamblers, double woldwarden, double woldwyrd, blackclad wayfarer. Gobber chef. Double cauldron.
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Post by snotling on Jan 31, 2019 20:17:02 GMT
You take some ogrun and rotwings and trollolol him off the table? stones just dont do enough damage. How do you deal with his feat? Thats the kicker for me right now. My usual style of play is to simply hug the edge of threat ranges on my first turn and then attack on the second, but that usually puts him pushing my army back to deployment, especially if he goes first (I always have terrible initiative rolls). I just simply can’t deal with the -2 speed and push.
The opposite: I shove all those ogrun so deep down his throat he can't swallow any more xD. Just spread out those ogrun. He does not have enough models with high pow attacks to handle chosen. And you dont need a lot of them to kill or cripple his stuff. especially with anamag.
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Post by voidbender on Jan 31, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
Against casters like Krueger2, particularly with that list, you cannot focus on getting the alpha our he will kick you out of and block you from scenario. I assume that is how you are usually losing this matchup?
Let him have the alpha, to an extent. Deliberately give him the opportunity for a mediocre alpha. If he takes it, then the lines have essentially met and his feat is almost useless. If not, then he just pushed you back to where you usually like to be at the edge of your threat ranges.
It will hurt a bit: you need to either give him a small enough bite that you can take it(making him make a tough choice), or with lists like PT(or other Kallus1 feat turn) stuff him with more than he can chew: preferably your whole list at once. The latter is a more reliable counter to Krueger2. The former is how i fight him with a generalist beast list.
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 31, 2019 22:04:36 GMT
How do you deal with his feat? Thats the kicker for me right now. My usual style of play is to simply hug the edge of threat ranges on my first turn and then attack on the second, but that usually puts him pushing my army back to deployment, especially if he goes first (I always have terrible initiative rolls). I just simply can’t deal with the -2 speed and push.
The opposite: I shove all those ogrun so deep down his throat he can't swallow any more xD. Just spread out those ogrun. He does not have enough models with high pow attacks to handle chosen. And you dont need a lot of them to kill or cripple his stuff. especially with anamag.
I may try pSaeryn Primal Terrors then. I don't know that I can afford Chosen but she may be able to push 'spears and 'mongers to a respectable level of survivability, though they won't get retaliatory strike from it.
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Post by custardboy on Feb 2, 2019 9:37:29 GMT
He's an alpha strike caster. To deal with them, you have to dictate how they get the alpha, not whether they get it. Or just cram your stuff so far down his throat that the alpha doesn't matter. He isn't hitting THAT hard, this isn't turtles or something.
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