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Post by shiver on Jan 14, 2019 19:15:06 GMT
I'm a little bummed that Warmachine Weekend is being transformed into Warfare Weekend. I always thought of WMW as an institution, this kind of monolithic example of how great the game is, or at least really could be when you factored in the community, and I'm really sad to see it go.
Sure, its still going to do the same things, and have the same events, I'm sure, but there was something to be said for having it's own private venue that was accessible, and didnt cost 20 million to attend in a corner of the US.
I assume the change is to allow more/different games, in an attempt to increase to recover some of the lost attendance over the last few years, but it still sucks.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 15, 2019 3:38:28 GMT
I hadn't heard anything about this yet. What's going on? Do they just want to focus more on Monsterpocalypse or something?
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Post by LoS Jaden on Jan 15, 2019 3:56:04 GMT
First of all, WMW attendance has been growing steadily as far as I understand it.
Second of all, I believe PP had a contract with the old organizer allowing him to use their IP for part of the name of the con, and now that he isn't running it that contract is null, which is why the name is changing.
It will also allow more games to be represented which, honestly, basically means that all the side games people have been playing anyway will get an event now maybe.
It's definitely nothing to be bummed about.
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Post by ankiseth on Jan 15, 2019 4:18:09 GMT
Please link an actual story or post explaining this.
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shiver
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Post by shiver on Jan 15, 2019 19:08:12 GMT
First of all, WMW attendance has been growing steadily as far as I understand it. Second of all, I believe PP had a contract with the old organizer allowing him to use their IP for part of the name of the con, and now that he isn't running it that contract is null, which is why the name is changing. It will also allow more games to be represented which, honestly, basically means that all the side games people have been playing anyway will get an event now maybe. It's definitely nothing to be bummed about. Wmw attendance had been declining. Last year, as I understand it, was the first year they saw a year over year increase since MK3 released, but still well below late mk2 numbers. This is confusing because Jay posted last year that the LCQ was up from the previous year, and that he was happy to see the game he loves growing, but that was LCQ players, not con attendance. |
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Post by shiver on Jan 15, 2019 22:46:54 GMT
Please link an actual story or post explaining this. here is the announcement if you don't want to scroll down. if you want to validate my source, the link is above. From the facebook page for Warmachine Weekend, that has now been changed to Warfaire Weekend. "There be a change a brewin! A new chapter is on the horizon says I!
That’s right! Today we get to announce a new page for our beloved event.
But- let's be honest, change can be a challenging hurdle to overcome. Only with the deepest love, intense admiration and highest respect for our community as the driving force behind these decisions, it is our upmost intention to only increase the strength of this community tenfold with these new changes.
The torch has been passed. From the hottest of Carl’s to our communities oddest of couples- Explosivo and Gonzo, it is our highest endeavor to attempt fill our beloved Carl’s shoes and honor the spirit that made WMW so great. Alas, after reviewing where the event currently stood, we came to the decision that WMW had to change. Thus, Warfaire Weekend was born.
We are so excited to talk further about this decision process and answer questions no doubt our community has. Please join us next Thursday Jan 17th at 7pm central. We will be doing a live Q&A and cover the new found direction of the event.
If there is anything we want you all to take from this first announcement is that we have no intention to change the spirit of the event’s core values- community, camaraderie and competition. The invitational is still within trusted hands and our fun spirited event is only gonna get better.
We look forward to talking with you Thursday!"
-Warfaire WeekendNow, there is a lot of very interesting language used in that post. " had to change" " new found direction" " still within" "event currently stood" the emphasis is obviously mine. These are all very interesting word choices that kind of point me in the direction that this is going to become much more than just a Warmachine and Hordes event, and thats, honestly, ok, because the last 3 years have just had empty tables for the vast majority of the event, i just wish they would make it smaller and keep it WM only focused. Though, as posted, other games would be cool. maybe they can get lots of WFW Invitational tournaments going for different games. that'd be cool. Still, i think i am going to just miss the traditional WMW, and god help us if they let in the 40k players  (im kidding. kind of.) |
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Post by dogganmguest on Jan 16, 2019 0:52:58 GMT
Warfaire Weekend is an even worse name than Warfare Weekend. Someone should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by Ganso on Jan 16, 2019 1:40:45 GMT
I'm predicting Guild Ball will piggy back off this event like they do the WTC  I will also predict they wont get the same numbers as WM/H, but people will still use it as an example of how GB is eating away WMs audience But mostly, I'm kinda bummed I didn't get to go while it was still WMW  |
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Post by shiver on Jan 16, 2019 2:49:12 GMT
I'm predicting Guild Ball will piggy back off this event like they do the WTC I will also predict they wont get the same numbers as WM/H, but people will still use it as an example of how GB is eating away WMs audience But mostly, I'm kinda bummed I didn't get to go while it was still WMW Guildball was doing that anyway, going so far as to have tournaments the same weekend, and one year, (maybe others, not sure) even had their big tournament at the same hotel. I'm not sure as to how important that one tournament was, as I don't play guildball in more than just a passing interest with my friends, but I remember that happening. Also, it's probably a fair statement to say that GB is after the WMH core audience. The GB rulebook reads like a plagiarised version of the MK3 rule book with a cleaner power attack section. And I think its fair to say that GB has run away with some of the WMH audience. |
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Post by albertairish on Jan 18, 2019 16:20:26 GMT
I know it's just semantics, but it inherently feels like "Warfaire Weekend" becomes less important to the Warmachine competitive scene. Is it worth playing all year and spending a ton of travel money to become champion of what now seems like just another general gaming convention?
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Post by sludgeogre on Jan 18, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
It doesn't feel like any other convention, is the thing. It's not really even a convention. It's a basement ballroom of a hotel and a couple other rooms. The main appeal for me is the whole thing is inside a hotel complex that has some ok food and a liquor store, so everyone is tore up the whole time and it's just a blast. It doesn't seem like there would be a lot more room for other events, though. Last year there was a group of tables in the middle that wasn't being used much, but it's certainly not enough room to hold a whole second event on. If they move to a bigger space, then I can't get trashed within 100 feet of my room, and I'll have to transport minis, and that just changes it to another weekend event instead of three days of constant Warmachine and hanging out.
I'll wait until more is announced to pass judgement, but I'm a bit skeptical of opening it up to other events. If it stays with the same kind of events as last year and this is just formalizing all of the side games that people play, then that's awesome and more power to them.
I also wouldn't be opposed to playing Judgement there this year.
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Post by LoS Jaden on Jan 18, 2019 17:38:29 GMT
It doesn't feel like any other convention, is the thing. It's not really even a convention. It's a basement ballroom of a hotel and a couple other rooms. The main appeal for me is the whole thing is inside a hotel complex that has some ok food and a liquor store, so everyone is tore up the whole time and it's just a blast. It doesn't seem like there would be a lot more room for other events, though. Last year there was a group of tables in the middle that wasn't being used much, but it's certainly not enough room to hold a whole second event on. If they move to a bigger space, then I can't get trashed within 100 feet of my room, and I'll have to transport minis, and that just changes it to another weekend event instead of three days of constant Warmachine and hanging out. I'll wait until more is announced to pass judgement, but I'm a bit skeptical of opening it up to other events. If it stays with the same kind of events as last year and this is just formalizing all of the side games that people play, then that's awesome and more power to them. I also wouldn't be opposed to playing Judgement there this year. JUDGEMENT JUDGEMENT JUDGEMENT  |
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Post by shiver on Jan 18, 2019 21:38:40 GMT
It doesn't feel like any other convention, is the thing. It's not really even a convention. It's a basement ballroom of a hotel and a couple other rooms. The main appeal for me is the whole thing is inside a hotel complex that has some ok food and a liquor store, so everyone is tore up the whole time and it's just a blast. It doesn't seem like there would be a lot more room for other events, though. Last year there was a group of tables in the middle that wasn't being used much, but it's certainly not enough room to hold a whole second event on. If they move to a bigger space, then I can't get trashed within 100 feet of my room, and I'll have to transport minis, and that just changes it to another weekend event instead of three days of constant Warmachine and hanging out. I'll wait until more is announced to pass judgement, but I'm a bit skeptical of opening it up to other events. If it stays with the same kind of events as last year and this is just formalizing all of the side games that people play, then that's awesome and more power to them. I also wouldn't be opposed to playing Judgement there this year. I watched the video of the Q&A and they kept saying that they wanted games that "fit with our culture", though I'm not entirely sure what that means. Do they only want games that make sexist models and have kegs on them? I don't get it. Do they only want games that are hyper-competitive? They kept saying they wanted to grow the gaming scene for Warmachine, but wouldn't address why it's changing, or at least come out and say it. Their intention is to have the game companies themselves come in and run the events, and provide their own logistics to the game. So if your concern is that there will be GW games, I don't think you have to worry about that, as I don't see GW sending people plus terrain, plus all the other stuff to go to WFW to run events, because honestly, WFW isn't a big venue. The thing I'm concerned about is how many other gaming companies are going to be there and what logistical support they are going to bring with them. So in short, no one knows what other games they are going to have, not yet at least. We'll just have to wait and see. Though if their intent is to be a lure for gaming companies to come in and run their own games, I mean, this isn't adepticon, I'm not sure game companies are going to go out of their way for a 500 person con in the middle flyover country. |
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Post by sludgeogre on Jan 21, 2019 22:06:32 GMT
It doesn't feel like any other convention, is the thing. It's not really even a convention. It's a basement ballroom of a hotel and a couple other rooms. The main appeal for me is the whole thing is inside a hotel complex that has some ok food and a liquor store, so everyone is tore up the whole time and it's just a blast. It doesn't seem like there would be a lot more room for other events, though. Last year there was a group of tables in the middle that wasn't being used much, but it's certainly not enough room to hold a whole second event on. If they move to a bigger space, then I can't get trashed within 100 feet of my room, and I'll have to transport minis, and that just changes it to another weekend event instead of three days of constant Warmachine and hanging out. I'll wait until more is announced to pass judgement, but I'm a bit skeptical of opening it up to other events. If it stays with the same kind of events as last year and this is just formalizing all of the side games that people play, then that's awesome and more power to them. I also wouldn't be opposed to playing Judgement there this year. I watched the video of the Q&A and they kept saying that they wanted games that "fit with our culture", though I'm not entirely sure what that means. Do they only want games that make sexist models and have kegs on them? I don't get it. Do they only want games that are hyper-competitive? They kept saying they wanted to grow the gaming scene for Warmachine, but wouldn't address why it's changing, or at least come out and say it. Their intention is to have the game companies themselves come in and run the events, and provide their own logistics to the game. So if your concern is that there will be GW games, I don't think you have to worry about that, as I don't see GW sending people plus terrain, plus all the other stuff to go to WFW to run events, because honestly, WFW isn't a big venue. The thing I'm concerned about is how many other gaming companies are going to be there and what logistical support they are going to bring with them. So in short, no one knows what other games they are going to have, not yet at least. We'll just have to wait and see. Though if their intent is to be a lure for gaming companies to come in and run their own games, I mean, this isn't adepticon, I'm not sure game companies are going to go out of their way for a 500 person con in the middle flyover country. I totally agree with you. It doesn't feel like their thought process on this is totally formed yet or that they are able to divulge any details, because there probably aren't a lot of details to divulge yet. I think there's a 0% chance of GW being there, it's too small and niche of an event for them to care. What I'm picturing is that games like Judgement will hopefully be there trying to help get attention for their game and probably run small tournaments or scramblers. I could totally see Trevy being there with Breachstorm, giving demos. I could see RiotQuest and MonPoc having a little more table space. I could also see a more involved board gaming area. Get rid of IK RPG stuff and the "Iron Arena" that isn't really an Iron Arena. The biggest problem I see for them is lack of space. It's not a big venue and the LCQ takes up half of it, then the invitational takes up about a quarter after that, and the scramblers/other events were at least another quarter. That just leaves the center area and the small rooms upstairs. You could probably only fit the games I mentioned above and that's it, unless they get really creative with how they lay things out. |
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