thelat
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Post by thelat on Jan 10, 2019 18:20:47 GMT
I feel like the Bloodseer was designed in the context of MkII animi and not updated with how all of that changed.
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Post by apoc2148 on Jan 10, 2019 19:03:19 GMT
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 17, 2019 8:37:14 GMT
Oh hey, its my thread!
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 17, 2019 19:36:08 GMT
I feel like the Bloodseer was designed in the context of MkII animi and not updated with how all of that changed. Damn I feel bad for the Bloodseer. Beyond Slipstream and Wraithbane, are there any good animi left for it to copy? If Ornery, Elusive, or Massacre were RNG6 The theme at least might have been a little more fun.
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Nephlyms
Jan 18, 2019 15:25:14 GMT
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jan 18, 2019 15:25:14 GMT
Sure! Angelius, neraph, scythean and carni have good animi for copying as well.
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 18, 2019 17:09:52 GMT
Sure! Angelius, neraph, scythean and carni have good animi for copying as well. I totally forgot about the Repel/Attractor as well as how a Bloodseer can reach ARM20 with Spiny Growth. However, how often do you actually make use of Slaughterhouse? Don't get me wrong, it's a fine animus on the Scythean when it didn't manage to seal the deal, I feel the Bloodseer lacks the power to make good use of it, or is kinda of expensive for situational Grievous Wounds on a stick. And on the topic of mileage, how often do people actually use Repel/Attractor on the Bloodseer itself? Maybe it's just the landshark chassis being the new hotness after their update and discount, but what builds do people use that include our flyers and also bank on their animi? Or is it mainly just a useful tool to have when the opportunity presents itself?
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Post by copperflame on Jan 18, 2019 18:16:29 GMT
I've only used Bloodseer a hand full of times. I had BS as for Telemetry in a goofy Thrones/Oracles set up (I think there was a Carny in the list?). I have used BS as an additional Slipstream source in an L3 list... but eventually got cut out? I have wanted to try out BS for a flame runner in K2/Archangel list to set up extra damage... but its more of a goofy thing that effective.
I have rarely ever used Attractor (the initial range seems to always be too short - wish it was anything within 3" gets pulled 2"inches or something like that). Repel maybe a little more, usually my caster doing so. Note - I have always heard that mastering these move shenanigans is what separates scrubs like me from good players.
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Post by custardboy on Jan 20, 2019 5:14:04 GMT
The bloodseer is really good but Primal Magic is just pointless in Children. On a similar note, Skorne savages are only occasionally used and their big selling point is their animus, the nephilim soldier practically doesn't have one. If the soldier had a good animus that was useful to the bloodseer it would actually help a fair bit. MK2 Massacre was a really good animus and the nephilim soldier and war hog suffered from its loss.
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Nephlyms
Jan 20, 2019 11:48:02 GMT
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Post by onijet01 on Jan 20, 2019 11:48:02 GMT
The bloodseer is really good but Primal Magic is just pointless in Children. On a similar note, Skorne savages are only occasionally used and their big selling point is their animus, the nephilim soldier practically doesn't have one. If the soldier had a good animus that was useful to the bloodseer it would actually help a fair bit. MK2 Massacre was a really good animus and the nephilim soldier and war hog suffered from its loss. If the soldier had primal as an animi how would that stack into legion? Its been bothering me as of late but circle, minions, scorn, and trolls have access to primal but not legion and even at thst it is seldom used
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Post by hocestbellum on Jan 20, 2019 12:39:12 GMT
The bloodseer is really good but Primal Magic is just pointless in Children. On a similar note, Skorne savages are only occasionally used and their big selling point is their animus, the nephilim soldier practically doesn't have one. If the soldier had a good animus that was useful to the bloodseer it would actually help a fair bit. MK2 Massacre was a really good animus and the nephilim soldier and war hog suffered from its loss. If the soldier had primal as an animi how would that stack into legion? Its been bothering me as of late but circle, minions, scorn, and trolls have access to primal but not legion and even at thst it is seldom used Wait, do they? I thought it was just the Gorax, Feral, and Battle Boar?
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Post by custardboy on Jan 20, 2019 13:07:20 GMT
Trolls only have it on Rok and Skorne only have it in Disciples of Agony if they take a Battle Boar. The Gorax is a bad warbeast and the Battle Boar is even worse, suddenly giving Primal to the Nephilim Soldier would be very heavy handed. I was more thinking something like defensive strike or safeguard.
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Post by davycannonhound on Jan 21, 2019 4:38:06 GMT
Trolls only have it on Rok and Skorne only have it in Disciples of Agony if they take a Battle Boar. The Gorax is a bad warbeast and the Battle Boar is even worse, suddenly giving Primal to the Nephilim Soldier would be very heavy handed. I was more thinking something like defensive strike or safeguard. While I don't think that Primal is a good animi (thematically or balance-wise) for Legion, I also dislike the notion of giving the Soldier a defensive animi. It should have something that buffs its offensive power. Maybe it could pick up Countercharge? That would stack nicely with Brutal Charge and Precision Strike. I'd like to see the Protector pick up Safeguard as an animus. That would make it worth the 10 points it costs.
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Nephlyms
Jan 21, 2019 6:23:53 GMT
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Post by custardboy on Jan 21, 2019 6:23:53 GMT
Yeah I agree, I was just spitballing. Countercharge would be AMAZING on it though and a bit of a tall order too.
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Nephlyms
Jan 21, 2019 12:32:40 GMT
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Jan 21, 2019 12:32:40 GMT
Sure! Angelius, neraph, scythean and carni have good animi for copying as well. I totally forgot about the Repel/Attractor as well as how a Bloodseer can reach ARM20 with Spiny Growth. However, how often do you actually make use of Slaughterhouse? Don't get me wrong, it's a fine animus on the Scythean when it didn't manage to seal the deal, I feel the Bloodseer lacks the power to make good use of it, or is kinda of expensive for situational Grievous Wounds on a stick. And on the topic of mileage, how often do people actually use Repel/Attractor on the Bloodseer itself? Maybe it's just the landshark chassis being the new hotness after their update and discount, but what builds do people use that include our flyers and also bank on their animi? Or is it mainly just a useful tool to have when the opportunity presents itself? When mk3 started I experimented with the scythean, bloodseer, assassins and bonegrinders as sources of grievous wounds to help zuriel and the soldiers with their precision strikes. At the time that's the puzzle I wanted to solve. The reach weapon on the bloodseer is pretty good for that purpose, and the chance on critical knockdown is scary enough for people to consider. I wouldn't take a bloodseer for that purpose alone because his charge range is just too low to edge out over the bonegrinders. I learned both od em only got to do their thing after being on the recieving end of the alpha, and bonegrinders are just much more efficient at that point. If you also have any of the other beasts with interesting animi things change I guess. Say you have a carnivean, a seraph and a scythean I see no reason not to try and fit in a bloodseer. Of course, those are all pretheme considerations.
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Post by apoc2148 on Jan 21, 2019 13:14:22 GMT
In the spirit of conversation, if you had to build a neph spam list, what would your combination of nephilims be? Would you stay in CoTD or would you go no theme. Who would run it? This is my first go at one: conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-0uewg_bfbfaKaLaLaLeKbubbbbbbfUfUcocoLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon [Absylonia 2] Absylonia, Daughter of Everblight [+28] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Nephilim Protector [10] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Zuriel [18] - Succubus [0(4)] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] I would use the objective to give out magical weapons. eAby seems an obvious choice with alpha hunter allowing for extra speed/mat and free runs/charges boosting fury efficiency. Feat+alpha hunter+massacre could help the soldiers clean up infantry, bolt throwers are solo hunters while Aby, azreal, zuriel and protector head for the caster. There are enough solos to hold flags and contest zones. Succubus drops a cloud on Aby to help her since she will be out in the open often. I'd like to get the BFS and maybe a unit of witches in there but haven't worked the points out yet.
Another list I just threw together: conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-0uaJg_bfaKaLaLaLeKbbbbbbfUfUkabrjxLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Children of the Dragon [Absylonia 1] Absylonia, Terror of Everblight [+31] - Azrael [21] - Nephilim Bolt Thrower [11] - Nephilim Protector [10] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Nephilim Soldier [9] - Zuriel [18] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Blighted Nyss Warlord [0(5)] Craelix, Fang of Everblight [0(6)] Blackfrost Shard [9] Ice Witches [7]
Refuge swapping between crealix and azrael sounds like fun. I get some mat and damage fixers with the ice witches and bfs with some additional sprays to help clear off chaff. With playing god and wild aggression, the soldiers and zuriel will hit much harder and get more efficient.
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