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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 4, 2019 17:14:24 GMT
I was just thinking about the Dire Troll Brawler and its animus, Ornery, which costs 1 and gives the caster Retaliatory Strike. The Nephilim Protector, Rip Horn Satyr, and Titan Sentry all have the same animus, and as far as I know, none of them are very popular. While I do think that the Brawler should be 15 points to match the Mauler, I also wonder if the animus itself should be changed from Ret Strike to Defensive Strike. That is, of course, much more useful, but I don't see that making any of these beasts too strong.
I'm trying to think of when and how this could get out of hand, but I can think of one case where it's actually less wacky, and that is the Sentry under Zaadesh 2.
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jan 4, 2019 17:21:08 GMT
It would make it a bit better against being attacked by infantry, as it could bop one before it attacked not afterwards, I can't see that being unreasonable tbh.
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 4, 2019 17:25:39 GMT
We really need a homebrew or wish-listing sub forum.
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Post by juckto on Jan 5, 2019 1:00:52 GMT
Why? It's not like traffic is so high here that homebrew stuff is pushing other discussions off the front page.
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 5, 2019 4:44:18 GMT
4 out of the top 10 threads are wish lists or wannabe CID. 5 out of the top 11. I think that's enough to warrant it's own section.
Plus, I think it's perfectly reasonable to segregate it from the main area. A lot of people aren't at all interested, in the same way people aren't interested in reading/seeing a bunch of threads about other factions, hence the faction specific sections.
And I genuinely think the community would be healthier without all the incredibly acrimonious discussions that these sorts of threads usually devolve into. Short of just deleting and banning all this stuff, this is the next best thing. People can have their "CID-lite", and people can not venture into those parts of the forums. For the two sides (wanting CID and not wanting to have to constantly deal with CID outside the official forums), having a specific section seems like the most reasonable compromise.
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Post by Charistoph on Jan 5, 2019 6:39:13 GMT
While not a wishlist, I tossed in a Warhammer conversion in Fan Fiction. I haven't developed it very much, yet, though.
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Post by Cryptix on Jan 5, 2019 10:06:15 GMT
Believe me, I'VE TRIED. Swamp durdles a bit if you haven't guessed that yet, and it's hard to contact him even on discord.
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Post by cainuslupus on Jan 5, 2019 15:00:27 GMT
Well, we have Ornery in Saeryn1 Feat (lol) and Nephilim Protector. I've never seen it used.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 5, 2019 15:14:40 GMT
You don't have to follow these threads at all, and while they might be a good chunk of the top threads for now, this isn't exactly the most active forum and threads will stay in that top 10 weeks after activity has ceased.
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Post by juckto on Jan 5, 2019 18:32:29 GMT
And 3 out of the 5 bottom threads haven't had a new reply in a month.
Splitting discussions into multiple areas won't generate more "on-topic" discussions. It'll just reduce the number of people who visit here even further.
(The more likely outcome is people don't know about the other subforum and post in General Discussion anyway. Or they post in the other subforum, get no replies, then post in GD to say "Hey come read my thread.")
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Post by chillychinaman on Jan 8, 2019 20:13:35 GMT
Back on topic, I'd use Ornery if it didn't have the once per turn restriction, with the obvious caveat that boxed models can't make the attack. Would this be too much?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Jan 8, 2019 21:12:22 GMT
Back on topic, I'd use Ornery if it didn't have the once per turn restriction, with the obvious caveat that boxed models can't make the attack. Would this be too much? I think it would be. There is an ability called Riposte that lets you make a melee attack every single time you're missed by a melee attack, but I think that is also a bit much in itself.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 9, 2019 17:43:13 GMT
I was just thinking about the Dire Troll Brawler and its animus, Ornery, which costs 1 and gives the caster Retaliatory Strike. The Nephilim Protector, Rip Horn Satyr, and Titan Sentry all have the same animus, and as far as I know, none of them are very popular. While I do think that the Brawler should be 15 points to match the Mauler, I also wonder if the animus itself should be changed from Ret Strike to Defensive Strike. That is, of course, much more useful, but I don't see that making any of these beasts too strong. I'm trying to think of when and how this could get out of hand, but I can think of one case where it's actually less wacky, and that is the Sentry under Zaadesh 2. Any thoughts on this? I don't think the Animus is the problem with these warbeasts. The Nephilim Protector is a combat light and that's a hard place all on it's own. Getting an extra pow12 is meh. He could have a better Animus but without significant army support as a new animus you still won't see him. The Brawler, I thought Troll players were waiting for him. I don't see Trolls much so I can't speak to that. We're just not seeing the beast theme much currently right? Is that his problem? The Riphorn is...weird. Pillow fisted, 1" reach. He's the least seen (at least for me) of the goats. He's probably the best example of a beast that might get better with a different animus. New Puissance maybe because a high armor/cheap brawler would offer something new to Circle. The Sentry is suffering from defensive beasts not being sexy and not getting a buff in the CiD cycle. The Animus isn't great in Skorne because of how enrage works. Honestly Fury4 or a 1pt bump in halberd pow would probably see him back in lineups regularly. The beasts or situations seem to be the issue, not necessarily the animus.
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Post by copperflame on Jan 9, 2019 20:03:57 GMT
Without boosting (attack or damage) or having some innate bonus (+2 attack or damage) - the animius is just bad.
Now, if beasts in question had a more of a threat (+ma or +dmg) innately - this may make it worth it for just on that beast. If the range was 6 or something... would that be worth it? I feel in -most- cases not when considering fury management but that would be at least something?
Ornery may just be better on beast(s) that was designed around it? High armor but low-med health with 2" and high mat/dmg? Maybe that would at least force more of the design.
Off the wall thought - what if the beast(s) or the animus had some sort of rider that any successful melee strike haulted movement? That way... you could run up the beast as a piece trade. If they ignored it and decided to take the free strike, at least you had a chance to prevent it from going anywhere OR they could take the risk of hitting the beast?
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 9, 2019 22:58:29 GMT
I'm fine with ornery being what it is. Not every animus needs to be more than slightly plus value. There are a couple of casters who get good work out of it. Knockdown and blind effects. I imagine dispel could be good too. The warbeasts need to be better, their animi doesn't necessarily need to be how they get better.
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