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Post by LoS Jaden on Jan 9, 2019 16:19:30 GMT
I also recall that not only was the possible legal issue but also that the program just bacame too much to handle for a small company... Rumours that some people were playing the PP system were also in the air at the time... There were definitely some people gaming the system. I knew a few PGs who were college students and layed out Demo tables in the commons while studying and if anyone happened to want to try it they'd give a demo. But they'd do this for 4-6 hours a day and maybe do 1 demo a day, and then report all of the time that they had studied as a demo day. Between them I think they comped almost 5 whole factions to max FA.
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Post by michael on Jan 9, 2019 16:42:47 GMT
I mean, they seemed to manage it well enough, and the marketing impetus of it surely paid for whatever management time it consumed. As for folks gaming the system, I really doubt they were getting gamed hard enough to actually impact their bottom line, so the worst it does is bruise someone's ego. Really the big issue had to be the legal liability (for which I have full sympathy - it's the kind of unexpected liability that could sink a small company). Speaking as someone who was part of that program for years: I am not certain that either of your assumptions are true.
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Post by michael on Jan 9, 2019 16:47:05 GMT
I also recall that not only was the possible legal issue but also that the program just bacame too much to handle for a small company... Rumours that some people were playing the PP system were also in the air at the time... There were definitely some people gaming the system. I knew a few PGs who were college students and layed out Demo tables in the commons while studying and if anyone happened to want to try it they'd give a demo. But they'd do this for 4-6 hours a day and maybe do 1 demo a day, and then report all of the time that they had studied as a demo day. Between them I think they comped almost 5 whole factions to max FA. I ran a lot of legitimate events and I never spent my points, and yet there were people who spent more points than I had ever accrued during each and every order cycle. Unless they were running 64-man Steamrollers twice each and every weekend, I have no idea how those folks were accruing the points... But, anecdotal evidence, water under the bridge, etc...
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Post by shiver on Jan 10, 2019 6:32:27 GMT
Yes. Privateer did that. But seriously; how would you expect anybody but Privateer to be able to perform such an analysis? Only they have the full data. In a nutshell, however: Privateer was potentially exposed to litigation for not complying with labor laws in potentially any random municipality in the U.S. That’s simply too much for a small company to deal with. All we know is what was spoken directly to the community, which was that the Press Gang was too unwieldy to be able to handle and as a program, its maintenance and upkeep were a constant drain on resources. I am unaware of any time in which PP mentioned the WOTC lawsuit, except to say that getting rid of the PG program was NOT a result of the lawsuit on WOTC. Also, the original lawsuit was filed in 2015. Wouldn't it have been a concern then? Oddly enough, the best thing that could happen (for the PG program) is for WotC to win their lawsuit. If they set a nice big precedent, then the risk of liability decreases substantially. The fact that it's still ongoing litigation does not bode well for an unmitigated win, however. To my knowledge, WoTC won this case. I didn't know it was still ongoing. Its hardly a legal blog or authority, but ars Technica wrote about it and stated that the case was thrown out. Even if they do win, i am very doubtful that PP will bring anything like the pressgang back. I remember when PP stated that they were going to have cool exclusive stuff in tournament packets for TO's and people who volunteer to run events and organize things. That never happened either. I'm not hopeful in the least for any kind of return to the PG program. In fact, since they seem to just not give two shits about it, as they have put absolutely 0 effort into any kind of revitalized recruiting effort.
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Post by Korianneder on Jan 10, 2019 13:41:47 GMT
Yes. Privateer did that. But seriously; how would you expect anybody but Privateer to be able to perform such an analysis? Only they have the full data. In a nutshell, however: Privateer was potentially exposed to litigation for not complying with labor laws in potentially any random municipality in the U.S. That’s simply too much for a small company to deal with. All we know is what was spoken directly to the community, which was that the Press Gang was too unwieldy to be able to handle and as a program, its maintenance and upkeep were a constant drain on resources. I am unaware of any time in which PP mentioned the WOTC lawsuit, except to say that getting rid of the PG program was NOT a result of the lawsuit on WOTC. Also, the original lawsuit was filed in 2015. Wouldn't it have been a concern then? Oddly enough, the best thing that could happen (for the PG program) is for WotC to win their lawsuit. If they set a nice big precedent, then the risk of liability decreases substantially. The fact that it's still ongoing litigation does not bode well for an unmitigated win, however. To my knowledge, WoTC won this case. I didn't know it was still ongoing. Its hardly a legal blog or authority, but ars Technica wrote about it and stated that the case was thrown out. Even if they do win, i am very doubtful that PP will bring anything like the pressgang back. I remember when PP stated that they were going to have cool exclusive stuff in tournament packets for TO's and people who volunteer to run events and organize things. That never happened either. I'm not hopeful in the least for any kind of return to the PG program. In fact, since they seem to just not give two shits about it, as they have put absolutely 0 effort into any kind of revitalized recruiting effort. There were two cases against wotc. The first one was thrown out by the judge, but the second one wasn't thrown out by the exact same judge. I'm not a law expert but there must be something that makes it a more valid claim. Last I heard the plaintiffs were trying to make it a class action suit. That was last year sometime though but these things always take a long time.
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Post by elladan52 on Jan 10, 2019 13:53:24 GMT
Plus, if they say they cancelled the program because of the potential ruling they are attaching themselves to its result, so whether or not it is the case they absolutely cannot confirm it.
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