Pairings for the new roster

So I'm currently on the Bearka2 train after being outspoken and probably wrong on this forum about it in SotN about a month ago.

I think you should go either Borka2 or Kolgrima in SotN and after watching how well Bearka performed into Cru Guard I'm tempted to go with him.
He shuts down basically every jack/beast spam list in the meta and considering people only have 2 lists that's most of them.

Then you're kind of left with interesting choices. Grissel2, Kolgrima and Grim1 are all excellent in Band of Heroes.

The question is do you want to run Kolgrima in BoH with champs and Skaldi as mentioned in the other thread. Maybe go with Jaden's List from six months ago with normal stone, Long riders, champs etc.

I used to play Grissel2 in BoH for most of 2017 and it was excellent. I think whatever you go for you want a MK in the BoH list so it can combat medium based infantry.

I think I would go:

Borka2 (SotN)
- Runebearer
- Earthborn
- Mauler
- Pyre
Fell Caller Hero
Eilish
Max Stone + NE
Min Champions + Skaldi
Bears!!!
Min Longriders
Fire Eaters
Fire Eaters

And

Grim 1 (BoH)
- Runebearer
- Mountain king
- Swamp Troll
Fell Caller Hero
Stone Scribe Chronicler
Max Stone + SE
Min Longriders
Max Fennblades + UA
Max Champions

Not 100% sure on this list but it doesn't look awful.

I mike the thought of a Sotn+boh pairing with Borka2 and Kolgrimma.

I could be inclined to try a POD list with Borka, but Ive tried that before and found it to be fifficult on scenario with ghe small commandbubble of borka2. But i want to put my 2 brawlers on the table, so why not at least try.

That's what has tripped me up, actually. I don't see how to build Kolgrima in Band that wouldn't leave me constantly wishing I could just put her in Storm too. Her ability to deliver stuff via could wall is always good but her synergies are much better overall in SOTN. I also still don't play her well.

I play Grim much better, and I'd love to pair him with Borka 2, but I actually don't want to put him in Band either. Though I do think that Grim can run just about anything pretty well, I think that he'd much rather have the Bears to corral opponents into his feat. (Or Mulg-node, or guns to focus fire on his feat turn...) His feat is great against anything but guns, but Borka can handle any of those other than Sloan, and maybe that too.

So I'm looking at what we need to cover between the two lists and themes. I do not want to build to deal with Circle only to wind up losing to Khador, but it seems to me that there is way too much to cover with any specificity, but I do see a couple of noteworthy points.

Guns: Gearhart's gun line is so oppressive that I don't think anyone can beat it without some way to shut down shooting entirely, at least for one turn. Then there are Trenchers in both Gravediggers and Llael, Ossyan, Orion and Sloan... I just think that guns are a much bigger problem than they were in the last two seasons. This really does require special attention, but let's face it, we were going to play either Borka 2 or Kolgrima anyway.

Dudespam: I keep expecting this to make a comeback and if anything does that it will be Doom Reavers. It's not just them, though; Hammer Strike gives Forge Guard Tough and Trenchers already have it. Both Menite themes are able to put a lot of bodies on the board. We don't have Banes to deal with but there are Dread Rots, Immortals, and Sentinels. The other warlocks on our roster don't really care if they are outnumbered, but Borka 2 does.

I am really starting to think that the strongest pairing we can make in this context is actually Kolgrima in Storm of the North and Grissel 2 in Band of Heroes, but that depends on some factors of which I am uncertain. I need to play danks Borka 2 list more to see how well it copes with the likes of Doom Reavers, see if Grim's feat is worth working around his suboptimal placement in Band, and get more practice with Kolgrima.

1) Any gun line that can't deal with his feat. Sloan just ignores it. Orion has Mage Sight, but that can be mitigated somewhat by spreading out. 2x TEP churn out a ton of sprays though.
2) Any jack spam or beast brick other than Sloan. Even when warbeasts are immune to cold, you can jam them with Raiders and one-round them with Bears.
3) If there's a ton of rough terrain on the table. Especially in SOTN, his lists tend to be mostly Pathfinder. For that matter, if there are bottlenecks that are easier to navigate with Ambush and AD making more breathing room.
4) If the scenario requires more spreading out than Band can handle.

I'm always a little concerned with a pairing that relies on units for both pairs. I feel like it is susceptible to the same kind of weaknesses (both in control and types of attacks it dies against). Is that a valid concern that people have found? I can't decide if that's an actual table top worry or my false dojo concerns.