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Post by Trollock on Dec 11, 2018 21:10:10 GMT
Just after Christmas im planning on attending a tournament with restricted casters. The organizer had a vote in the faction facebook groups to come up with the worst casters for each faction. I get to chose from:
Grayle Kaya 1 Kaya 2 Krueger 1
I decided on Grayle, cause he is pretty decent in DH imo. I played another game with that list yesterday against Maelok and it was more effective than the other lists i have tried against Maelok, so that was nice. Im thinking something like this:
conflictchamber.com/#c8201b_-0j5BmCmJmRmIfF54mUjXmSmF5qmj5wmj5wCircle Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Devourer's Host !!! Your army contains pre-release entries. [Grayle 1] Grayle the Farstrider [+29] - Shadowhorn Satyr [12] - Warpwolf Stalker [17] - Tharn Blood Shaman [4] Lord of the Feast [0(6)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Tharn Ravager Shaman [4] Tharn Wolf Rider Champion [0(7)] Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron [5] Bríghid & Caul [7] Tharn Bloodtrackers (max) [15] - Nuala the Huntress [4] Tharn Ravagers (max) [15] - Tharn Ravager Chieftain [0(5)] Tharn Ravagers (max) [15] - Tharn Ravager Chieftain [5]
As it is a "fun" event i decided to pair it with a "fun" list. Kaya 2 in BoO! It is like Krueger 2 BoO on crack, in the same way that this is Whitney Houston on crack...
conflictchamber.com/#c8201b_-0p3T4QjGjFjF4H4Hg4g45g5gfF5e5e5fCircle Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Bones of Orboros [Kaya 2] Kaya the Moonhunter [+24] - Megalith [20] - Wold Guardian [16] - Woldwarden [14] - Woldwarden [14] - Woldwyrd [9] - Woldwyrd [9] Blackclad Stoneshaper [0(3)] Blackclad Stoneshaper [3] Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)] Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5] Sentry Stone & Mannikins [5] Shifting Stones [3]
It brings strong anti shooting for sure, just like Krueger. It tries to stay away from retaliation like Krueger, and it threat extension like Krueger and it has control in the form of Muzzle. So... Just as good as Krueger, right?
Basically im praying that some one will try to play beasts against this, cause it would be a dream come through. What do you guys think? Any other cool ideas i should consider?
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Post by Dev Null on Dec 11, 2018 23:21:45 GMT
Don't know enough Grayle to have an opinion.
I love Kaya2 for fun games, but I really struggle with her in any kind of scenario - her feat gives up way too much of the table. Mind you, it doesn't _have_ to; just activate a couple of placeholder beasts before Kaya feats. But I always have trouble convincing myself to actually _do_ that on the day. Don't be me.
Muzzle as your only Geomancy option? That's... not terrible, actually.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 7:28:55 GMT
Don't know enough Grayle to have an opinion. I love Kaya2 for fun games, but I really struggle with her in any kind of scenario - her feat gives up way too much of the table. Mind you, it doesn't _have_ to; just activate a couple of placeholder beasts before Kaya feats. But I always have trouble convincing myself to actually _do_ that on the day. Don't be me. Muzzle as your only Geomancy option? That's... not terrible, actually. I made the kaya list sort of as a joke, and i have actually played it twice. It is really silly and i have yet to play it against hordes, but geomancy muzzle is basically the only thing it does hehe
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 8:15:26 GMT
Hmmm. Just checked the release schedule and it seems the blood shaman wont be out until january 18th... That sort of invalidated Grayle imo as his thing is to make warrior models like LotF and Caul kick anythings ass... Back to the drawing board!
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satyr
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Post by satyr on Dec 12, 2018 8:35:08 GMT
Personally I love Kaya2. She is the caster I always play and want to make work, much in the same way people play mohsar, grayle, or Garryth. Currently I have two lists for her. The first is your traditional Cotw list.
War Room Army
Circle Orboros - Kaya2 storm raptor
Theme: Call of the Wild 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kaya the Moonhunter - WB: +24 - Druid Wilder - PC: 0 - Laris - Warpwolf Stalker - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Feral Warpwolf - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Pureblood Warpwolf - PC: 17
Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Una the Falconer - PC: 0 - Storm Raptor - PC: 34 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1
Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3
THEME: Call of the Wild ---
GENERATED : 12/12/2018 01:25:35 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
In my experience she does not really want more than 3-4 heavies, and I like having the storm raptor as a ranged anchor. The list was 2-0 when the raptor was on Kaya, and I feel moving it over to una makes it better, and lightens the fury load. The other list, well let’s just say I had a pants on head crazy moment in my obsessive SM list dojoing and this is the result.
War Room Army
Circle Orboros - Kaya2 SM
Theme: Secret Masters 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kaya the Moonhunter - WB: +24 - Laris - Feral Warpwolf - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Warpwolf Stalker - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Pureblood Warpwolf - PC: 17
Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Gatorman Husk - PC: 3 Gatorman Husk - PC: 3 Swamp Gobber River Raider - 3 Raiders: 4 Swamp Gobber River Raider - 3 Raiders: 4
Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Gatorman Bokor & Bog Trog Swamp Shamblers - Bokor & 9 Grunts: 10 - Void Leech - PC: 1 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3 - Stone Keeper - PC: 2 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3
THEME: Secret Masters ---
GENERATED : 12/12/2018 01:31:17 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
Valkyries are there to score zones and be shield guards for when shadow pack fails. Shamblers are to clog zones and feed off dying pigs. Husks are for ambush pressure and what not. The river raiders are nothing more than 6 throw alway solos for 8 points. Kaya and her battle group are the work horses and the rest is to clog up scenario and help deliver the bg. Haven’t had the oppentumiry to play the list yet, and I’m pretty sure it is more crazy than genius, but I feel Kaya2 needs to have a small BG, supported by a storm raptor or a self sufficient army.
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Post by jisidro on Dec 12, 2018 10:16:26 GMT
Hmmm. Just checked the release schedule and it seems the blood shaman wont be out until january 18th... That sort of invalidated Grayle imo as his thing is to make warrior models like LotF and Caul kick anythings ass... Back to the drawing board! Lots of ass is kicked by Storm-Raged Puppet Mastered LotF/Caúl... Don't give up! Upgrade the Shadowhorn to a Feral and you're good to go!
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Post by jisidro on Dec 12, 2018 10:16:50 GMT
Bottom of the Barrel tournament is a great idea!
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Post by paradox on Dec 12, 2018 13:33:29 GMT
Oh, Kaya1 goatsecks all the way! Theme: Call of the Wild 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kaya the Wildborne - WB: +32 - Druid Wilder - PC: 0 - Brennos the Elderhorn - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7
Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0
Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 14:49:26 GMT
Hmmm. Just checked the release schedule and it seems the blood shaman wont be out until january 18th... That sort of invalidated Grayle imo as his thing is to make warrior models like LotF and Caul kick anythings ass... Back to the drawing board! Lots of ass is kicked by Storm-Raged Puppet Mastered LotF/Caúl... Don't give up! Upgrade the Shadowhorn to a Feral and you're good to go! Probably be a Pureblood (minus the gobber) then i think... mayhaps... mayhaps...
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 14:50:50 GMT
Oh, Kaya1 goatsecks all the way! Theme: Call of the Wild 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Kaya the Wildborne - WB: +32 - Druid Wilder - PC: 0 - Brennos the Elderhorn - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 Dont have the models, and i cant proxy in a tournament. Also.. why goats? Kaya 1 does nothing special for them does she?
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 14:52:26 GMT
satyrthanks for the input, but model constraint are an issue here. So much crap i do not own. I have the tharn stuff and the BoO stuff, but no raptor and not those minions either
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Post by jisidro on Dec 12, 2018 15:16:42 GMT
Lots of ass is kicked by Storm-Raged Puppet Mastered LotF/Caúl... Don't give up! Upgrade the Shadowhorn to a Feral and you're good to go! Probably be a Pureblood (minus the gobber) then i think... mayhaps... mayhaps... I know primal seems to be out-of-fashion but I still think Circle swears by it. Your list become able to deal with a hard target (ARM buffed Colossal) with Primal, without it you're a lot more vulnerable to it... And a Feral is a high output beast by itself with possible 12" of threat by itself.
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Post by paradox on Dec 12, 2018 15:18:52 GMT
Oh, Kaya1 goatsecks all the way! Theme: Call of the Wild 4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Kaya the Wildborne - WB: +32 - Druid Wilder - PC: 0 - Brennos the Elderhorn - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Shadowhorn Satyr - PC: 12 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Gnarlhorn Satyr - PC: 12 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 Dont have the models, and i cant proxy in a tournament. Also.. why goats? Kaya 1 does nothing special for them does she? +2 MAT goes a long way to helping them. Spirit Door is extra lulzy with shadowhorn throws. Id personaly like 4 shadowhorns, but most folks cant wrap their heads round it. Its SUPER irritating to fight. Your stuff just gets tossed everywhere, the goats vanish. Until they get you caster and toss em back to a beatdown. Then your opponents like WTF just happened?
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Post by beownage on Dec 12, 2018 16:01:51 GMT
Play Grayle, LotF and Caul can still do massive work without Divine Inspiration (though Grayle will be perfect with it in his list). Storm Rager LotF does amazing work and threatens what feels like the entire board. I tend to like a Pureblood with Grayle for Wraithbane. I also recommend trying to fit Death Wolves, though it does make the list super tight on points.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 12, 2018 18:14:54 GMT
Probably be a Pureblood (minus the gobber) then i think... mayhaps... mayhaps... I know primal seems to be out-of-fashion but I still think Circle swears by it. Your list become able to deal with a hard target (ARM buffed Colossal) with Primal, without it you're a lot more vulnerable to it... And a Feral is a high output beast by itself with possible 12" of threat by itself. Wraithbane is way better than primal against arm buffed colossals, especially since you already get +2 MAT from Kaya by default. I agree that the feral is a nice beater though...
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