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Post by wolfchild on Dec 8, 2018 8:22:29 GMT
With AD 9 here we have a great selection of casters at our disposal:
Iona, Krueger2, Wurmwood, Morv1 (3 of our best and a close follow up)
Themes:
Devourer Host, Secret Masters
It seems to me that we have amazing options for Dev Host and are being forced to use Secret Masters to push us out of the Bones / Host comfort bubble.
This could be a great move to finally stop Female Doging about SM and force players to get imaginative and learn how to use it..... or at least get some decent data on Druid / Mist rider performance.
What are your thoughts on this?
Will you be running double Dev Host or will you step out of the bubble?
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Post by redcathal on Dec 10, 2018 11:11:11 GMT
I didn't think you could double up in this format? If you brought a caster in one theme your other list had to be in the other?
Hoping for correction of course as double devourers would be sweet
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Post by LoS Jaden on Dec 10, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
Yeah you definitely cannot double up in this format.
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Post by elshinare on Dec 10, 2018 20:09:58 GMT
Until the rules for ADRS9 comes out that is the assumption, it may change.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Dec 10, 2018 22:29:44 GMT
I think that this ADR is terribly designed (several factions have their best stuff, others have B-list casters), but does pose an interesting problem. IMO, barring specific meta considerations, the main factions to be concerned with are the Circle mirror, Skorne, and Legion. So with that in mind, I think some things to consider are:
- Wurmwood is pretty bad in the Circle mirror, because of the prevalence of Treewalker in Devourer's host. He's also got some issues into Skorne exalted, assuming immovable object sticks on everything, because of arcane vortex/no-push tech.
- Morv1 is really strong in the Circle Mirror, and has decent game into Kallus1, but Exalted has the potential to be tricky, as you're likely to be crutching hard on the Recursion aspect of her kit.
- Krueger2 has some issues into Exalted, and is sub-ideal into legion, especially when forced out of his best theme.
I think Iona DevHost is likely to be our most common mainlist, but there's a lot of potential to build an interesting offlist, IMO.
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 13, 2018 18:04:23 GMT
Do you think PP gave us Secret Masters along side DH to force us to learn how to play the theme?
Folks have been playing Bones, Call and Tharn since the theme, but Wild Hunt and Secret Masters have not really seen much competitive play.
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Post by elshinare on Dec 13, 2018 18:23:27 GMT
I think that this ADR is terribly designed (several factions have their best stuff, others have B-list casters), but does pose an interesting problem. IMO, barring specific meta considerations, the main factions to be concerned with are the Circle mirror, Skorne, and Legion. So with that in mind, I think some things to consider are: - Wurmwood is pretty bad in the Circle mirror, because of the prevalence of Treewalker in Devourer's host. He's also got some issues into Skorne exalted, assuming immovable object sticks on everything, because of arcane vortex/no-push tech. - Morv1 is really strong in the Circle Mirror, and has decent game into Kallus1, but Exalted has the potential to be tricky, as you're likely to be crutching hard on the Recursion aspect of her kit. - Krueger2 has some issues into Exalted, and is sub-ideal into legion, especially when forced out of his best theme. I think Iona DevHost is likely to be our most common mainlist, but there's a lot of potential to build an interesting offlist, IMO. Thing is, a good game with a structure and list system, should not make so that your available choices are good matchups into everything, you should have weaknesses |
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Post by paradox on Dec 14, 2018 17:04:50 GMT
Lets be honest, Active Duty is almost entirely pointless because 99.999999% of games dont use it. Its sole purpose is theory fodder.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 14, 2018 18:05:39 GMT
Lets be honest, Active Duty is almost entirely pointless because 99.999999% of games dont use it. Its sole purpose is theory fodder. Or for people that go to lots of Con's I almost want to try Tanith in Secret masters...almost... |
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Post by paradox on Dec 14, 2018 18:32:11 GMT
Lets be honest, Active Duty is almost entirely pointless because 99.999999% of games dont use it. Its sole purpose is theory fodder. Or for people that go to lots of Con's I almost want to try Tanith in Secret masters...almost... Gotta be honest, Masters seems to have more attendees and focus than Champions. Maybe Ive missed a shift here, but even at cons ADR events seem lots less popular. |
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Post by oncomingstorm on Dec 15, 2018 1:13:49 GMT
Or for people that go to lots of Con's I almost want to try Tanith in Secret masters...almost... Gotta be honest, Masters seems to have more attendees and focus than Champions. Maybe Ive missed a shift here, but even at cons ADR events seem lots less popular. IG is Champions, and for anyone that's hoping to qualify (or qualified) that's a powerful encouragement to picking a faction that has a decent champions roster. |
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Post by wolfchild on Dec 17, 2018 17:25:45 GMT
Gotta be honest, Masters seems to have more attendees and focus than Champions. Maybe Ive missed a shift here, but even at cons ADR events seem lots less popular. IG is Champions, and for anyone that's hoping to qualify (or qualified) that's a powerful encouragement to picking a faction that has a decent champions roster. This right here is a great example of different styles from different players. If you’re playing Champions because u wanna compete in IG and you get a new army because u appear to have bad roster options...... well, that’s an event I’m happy to avoid. Ill never switch factions just cos someone else seems to have a better deal. Champions / ADR seems largely an opportunity for PP to test their material outside of a CID, to see how folks skew lists/factions/casters etc, to see what works in a different set of parameters. It is of course a different challenge for players too, to maybe play outside their comfort zone with sub-optimal options. That feels like it should be a fun event rather than a major international, but hey, peeps wanna win stuff (at all costs). |
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Post by Trollock on Dec 17, 2018 22:21:43 GMT
Champions has the advantage that not only do you get to play different casters (or in our case... You dont) but you also get to play AGAINST different casters. Makes for a great change of pace. I try to organice every third tournament as champions now, and the response from the players has been great. Nothing prevents you and your buddies from using the champions format for your tuesday night gaming every once in a while as a pallet cleanser...
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Post by oncomingstorm on Dec 17, 2018 23:40:37 GMT
IG is Champions, and for anyone that's hoping to qualify (or qualified) that's a powerful encouragement to picking a faction that has a decent champions roster. This right here is a great example of different styles from different players. If you’re playing Champions because u wanna compete in IG and you get a new army because u appear to have bad roster options...... well, that’s an event I’m happy to avoid. Ill never switch factions just cos someone else seems to have a better deal. Champions / ADR seems largely an opportunity for PP to test their material outside of a CID, to see how folks skew lists/factions/casters etc, to see what works in a different set of parameters. It is of course a different challenge for players too, to maybe play outside their comfort zone with sub-optimal options. That feels like it should be a fun event rather than a major international, but hey, peeps wanna win stuff (at all costs). I mean, I don't swap factions for competitive advantage (I'm down to two factions at the moment anyways), but I suspect that's the minority approach, if the proportion of CoC/Grymkin players I see in champions formats vs. masters is any indication. |
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