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Post by elshinare on Dec 13, 2018 3:57:57 GMT
Updating my lists to these, just ordered the missing models so gotta play it
War Room Army
Circle Orboros - Kromac 2 Beast Brick (copy)
Theme: Call of the Wild 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kromac, Champion of the Wurm - WB: +28 - Feral Warpwolf - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Ghetorix - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Warpwolf Stalker - PC: 17 - Warpwolf Stalker - PC: 17 - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 - Wild Argus - PC: 7
Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0 Lord of the Feast - PC: 0 Blackclad Wayfarer - PC: 0
Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 3 - Stone Keeper - PC: 2 Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron - Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron: 5
THEME: Call of the Wild ---
GENERATED : 12/12/2018 19:55:46 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
War Room Army
Circle Orboros - Baldur1 Pair1
Theme: The Devourer's Host 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Baldur the Stonecleaver - WB: +31 - Ghetorix - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Rip Horn Satyr - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Feral Warpwolf - PC: 16
Bloodweaver Night Witch - PC: 0 Lord of the Feast - PC: 0 Gallows Grove - PC: 2
Brighid & Caul - Brighid & Caul: 7 Tharn Bloodweavers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 - Tharn Bloodweaver Haruspex - PC: 4 Tharn Bloodweavers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 - Tharn Bloodweaver Haruspex - PC: 4 Tharn Bloodtrackers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Nuala the Huntress - PC: 4 Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron - Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron: 5
THEME: The Devourer's Host ---
GENERATED : 12/12/2018 19:57:48 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
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Post by Evola on Dec 13, 2018 11:25:33 GMT
Anyone playing Wurmwood or Krueger 2 in DH with success?
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Post by Trollock on Dec 13, 2018 14:44:34 GMT
Havent gotten to them yet BUT all other casters i have tried (like 10) have worked well, and those two seem like they should be among the best.
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Post by elshinare on Dec 13, 2018 17:02:52 GMT
My understanding is those 2 are in the top 3 (tied with 4 other casters) for DH, just takes practice on the lists
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Post by paradox on Dec 18, 2018 16:13:20 GMT
Gonna try this jank tank tonight. Cant decide if I want LotF or a wolf rider champ as the 2nd free model. Theme: The Devourer's Host 1 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Stockpile - Steamroller Objective
Kromac, Champion of the Wurm - WB: +28 - Tharn Blood Shaman - PC: 4 - Ghetorix - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7
Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4 Tharn Ravager White Mane - PC: 5 Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4
Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 0 Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 5
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Post by streetpizza on Dec 18, 2018 16:19:29 GMT
Gonna try this jank tank tonight. Cant decide if I want LotF or a wolf rider champ as the 2nd free model. Theme: The Devourer's Host 1 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Stockpile - Steamroller Objective Kromac, Champion of the Wurm - WB: +28 - Tharn Blood Shaman - PC: 4 - Ghetorix - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4 Tharn Ravager White Mane - PC: 5 Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4 Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 0 Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 5 Personally think that LotF has become near auto include. Another good option there would be to drop one Gorax and add in B&C. That would let you use the free points for the second Chieftain and then add the crock pot. Nice to have the backkup heavy removal and a way to fee big K some corpses.
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Post by paradox on Dec 18, 2018 16:45:58 GMT
Gonna try this jank tank tonight. Cant decide if I want LotF or a wolf rider champ as the 2nd free model. Theme: The Devourer's Host 1 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Stockpile - Steamroller Objective Kromac, Champion of the Wurm - WB: +28 - Tharn Blood Shaman - PC: 4 - Ghetorix - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Wild Argus - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 - Gorax Rager - PC: 7 Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4 Tharn Ravager White Mane - PC: 5 Tharn Ravager Shaman - PC: 4 Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 0 Tharn Ravagers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 10 - Tharn Ravager Chieftain - PC: 5 Personally think that LotF has become near auto include. Another good option there would be to drop one Gorax and add in B&C. That would let you use the free points for the second Chieftain and then add the crock pot. Nice to have the backkup heavy removal and a way to fee big K some corpses. Primal + feat + combo bite give Argus PS20 charges. Im not too worried about backup heavy removal.
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Post by paradox on Dec 18, 2018 16:57:24 GMT
As to B&C, Im not really excited about them. Its not too hard to just kill Brighid and profit from scapelling out Prey and Gang.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 18, 2018 18:14:13 GMT
As to B&C, Im not really excited about them. Its not too hard to just kill Brighid and profit from scapelling out Prey and Gang. At the cost of 7 points they need SOME form of weakness. When they get to do what they do, they are insane. They just dont always get to do that. Its like Ravagers. When they get in to three units of steelheads it will all be worth it
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Post by paradox on Dec 18, 2018 18:51:12 GMT
As to B&C, Im not really excited about them. Its not too hard to just kill Brighid and profit from scapelling out Prey and Gang. At the cost of 7 points they need SOME form of weakness. When they get to do what they do, they are insane. They just dont always get to do that. Its like Ravagers. When they get in to three units of steelheads it will all be worth it Like, an argus is just as good and harder to kill in this list. B&C are pretty meh.
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Post by streetpizza on Dec 18, 2018 19:14:41 GMT
At the cost of 7 points they need SOME form of weakness. When they get to do what they do, they are insane. They just dont always get to do that. Its like Ravagers. When they get in to three units of steelheads it will all be worth it Like, an argus is just as good and harder to kill in this list. B&C are pretty meh. An argus doesn't have nearly the same damage potential. You also stated that you're using the Argii to kill heavies but you're spending 28pts on 4x pow 20s and an additional 7 on the extra gorax to get them to that level, so 35 total. Those points would be much better spent on a feral+stalker for 33pts and have the extra 2pts to play with. With less beasts and a feral you could even drop the last gorax and get something more useful in there. Wolf rider solo, LotF or the crock pot all look better to me here. The more I've been thinking about it the more I'm not really a fan of the argus spam package outside of Kaya3. Would love to see some bat reps to find out how it works for you though. This would be my take on it: Circle Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Devourer's Host [Kromac 2] Kromac, Champion of the Wurm [+28] - Feral Warpwolf [16] - Ghetorix [19] - Warpwolf Stalker [17] - Tharn Blood Shaman [4] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Lord of the Feast [0(6)] Tharn Ravager Shaman [4] Tharn Ravager Shaman [4] Tharn Ravager White Mane [0(5)] Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron [5] Tharn Ravagers (min) [10] - Tharn Ravager Chieftain [5] Tharn Ravagers (min) [10] - Tharn Ravager Chieftain [5] Love the thinking on min ravager units for board presence. I'll need to try that out and see if I like it.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 18, 2018 19:44:41 GMT
At the cost of 7 points they need SOME form of weakness. When they get to do what they do, they are insane. They just dont always get to do that. Its like Ravagers. When they get in to three units of steelheads it will all be worth it Like, an argus is just as good and harder to kill in this list. B&C are pretty meh. I do not know how you come to this conclusion... With the basic support (blood shaman and croc pot) they do a LOT more damage than an Argus, even if you include feat and primal. Assuming all attacks hit, and ARM 20: Argus does 11 points on the charge attack and then does another 7 from a boosted pow 16. 18 points total. Brighid does 3 from the shot and then another 7 from the charge. Caul does ~11 from the charge, and then does another ~15 from three brought attacks. So that is twice the damage from an Argus. You can argue exactly how to count the price of the support included, but all the mentioned support above is already in your list so...
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Post by elshinare on Dec 18, 2018 21:58:21 GMT
So, have any of you played wild argus spam? If not, then try it. And arguing 3 bought attacks is more damage than a boosted attack from an argus instead of 2 bought attacks from an argus invalidates the point you want to make. Buy and boost = buy and boost, not buy and boost = 3 bought attacks
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Post by elshinare on Dec 18, 2018 22:03:15 GMT
Oh...and this is also what are people playing, not "how to trash on someone's list, play better models". Get ideas, maybe see something you've not thought of or tried because it isn't the hot list
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Post by Trollock on Dec 19, 2018 0:53:48 GMT
So, have any of you played wild argus spam? If not, then try it. And arguing 3 bought attacks is more damage than a boosted attack from an argus instead of 2 bought attacks from an argus invalidates the point you want to make. Buy and boost = buy and boost, not buy and boost = 3 bought attacks First of all, i was simply respondibg to a claim made by Paradox that he thought B&C were bad models. I asked what he based that upon and then provided some numbers that indicated they were not bad models. Second, buying 3 attacks with the argus is not really an option here as he has no source or free charges, but if he DOES buy three attacks the combo would do 7 points, and the three brought attacks would do 9 points, so that is even less damage. If he DID have a free charge, the total would still only reach roughly 20 points which is still significantly less than the ~36 points of B&C in this example. Third, yes i HAVE played argus spam, though i did it with Kaya 3, so they hit even harder. None of my Arguses ever one rounded a heavy, something that B&C seems to do routeenly in my games with them. EDIT: on reading your post again i might have misunderstood your point about three brought attacks. Not sure how to interpret it though... Is it that Cauls brought attacks do more damage than the arguses? That is because of one higher POW and divine inspiration... Sorry if i misunderstood you and complicated the discussion
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