bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 1, 2018 12:16:11 GMT
I've been considering running all the Nyss in a DoI theme using Ghyrrshyld. Does anyone else have experience in doing this? I would just like some community feedback before purchasing a bunch of models. I do plan on doing some test games with proxy models during Christmas break, but I would like to read about others experiences.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 1, 2018 17:34:37 GMT
While it's a cool idea thematically I don't know how well it would perform on the table. If I owned the models I'd try something like this:
Retribution Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Defenders of Ios
[Goreshade 4] Lord Ghyrrshyld, the Forgiven [+28] - Chimera [8] - Chimera [8] - Siren [8] - Siren [8] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Aelyth Vyr, Blade of Nyssor [0(5)] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Lys Healer [3] Priest of Nyssor [4] Priest of Nyssor [4] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] - Soulless Escort (1) [1] Ryssovass Defenders (max) [16] - Soulless Escort (1) [1] Ryssovass Defenders (max) [16] - Soulless Escort (1) [1]
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Post by matsif on Dec 1, 2018 21:43:20 GMT
I'd probably run something like isotope's list, but I'd dump cylena, the lys healer, and an arcanist for an AFG and 2 rifle teams. the rifle teams are houseguard units, so I get to move the ryssovass out from the theme benefit advanced move. plus the AFG is, well, the AFG. still gets you 2 free solos, still works out to 75 points, and lets you leverage the advanced move part of the theme benefit. I'd probably also run a free eiryss1 instead of sylys. most of that is personal preference of course, but I think the AFG+2 rifle teams more than makes up for the CRAs from cylena, and getting the ryssovass up the table faster through the theme benefit is to me a much better use of points than leaving them back and being entirely dependent on 4shade's weak cloud wall and terrain to deliver them.
that said, I'd never run it in my meta. I have too many cygnar players that run gravediggers and storm division more or less permanently, which means I'm either dealing with high explosive or lighting leaps just about every turn unless the terrain is really in my favor for the cloud wall. ARM 15 ryssovass that have to be b2b for defensive line so they don't get knocked down assuming I do hit the tough check melt to all of that, and I can't take artificers in DoI for force barrier to at least help against the trencher matchup. and I can only DR 1 unit for ARM 18, which still is only slightly above average rolls for lightning leaps or high explosive blasts, plus there's boosted blast damage from jacks to content with. it's way too dicey for my tastes to depend on tough, and I can't depend on the cloud wall due to various casters or lynus and edrea showing up.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 1, 2018 22:26:44 GMT
I was trying to keep it strictly nyss, i love me some rifle teams.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 2, 2018 1:19:19 GMT
I was trying to keep it strictly nyss, i love me some rifle teams. Thanks for a list idea Isotope. My only question is, why 2 Ryssovass over say another jack?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 2, 2018 3:48:36 GMT
I was trying to keep it strictly nyss, i love me some rifle teams. Thanks for a list idea Isotope. My only question is, why 2 Ryssovass over say another jack? Was just aiming to spam dudes really... you could prolly swap 2nd chimera for a 3rd siren and one unit for a phoenix and it would work, since you can only put DR on one unit anyways... and can prolly only lay down 3nough clouds to protect one unit.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 2, 2018 11:55:50 GMT
So I was thinking about a list and came up with this:
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - Ghyrrshyld
Theme: Defenders of Ios 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lord Ghyrrshyld, the Forgiven - WJ: +28 - Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Phoenix - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Aelyth Vyr, Blade of Nyssor - PC: 5 Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 4 Priest of Nyssor - PC: 4 Priest of Nyssor - PC: 4 Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios - PC: 0 Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen - PC: 0 - Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen (Continued)
Ryssovass Defenders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16- Soulless Escort - PC: 1 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9 Stormfall Archers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 9 Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters - Cylena & 5 Grunts: 12
My strategy with this list would be to escort archers with the Ryssovass on one flank. The other flank would be Cylena and hunters, escorted by Fane Knight. The anchor point for the list would be the Ghyrrshyld and the to heavies. Hopefully I can find some time over the upcoming holidays to test it all out.
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Post by onijet01 on Dec 6, 2018 11:58:18 GMT
Bluebea4d dont forget the defenders with g4 only need to do 12 damage to remove a warjack for all intents. They can pic collums and are pow 10 weaponmasters. Charging into average arm 19 jacks they will do on average 5 damage a hit. With g4's ice spell that goes up to 7 on average. (Average dice are 3,3,4,4,3 by my standard) Defensive line m AXA kes them def 14 and if you cut out the cortex, brain, or induction node you stop the jacks ability to gain focus and use it. Dropping their effiecency by 65-80% My list choice conflictchamber.com/#c5201b_-0zhH1gmv9vhJ3y3ybH4kfWhK75hNhNRetribution Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Defenders of Ios [Goreshade 4] Lord Ghyrrshyld, the Forgiven [+28] - Chimera [8] - Phoenix [17] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [4] Aelyth Vyr, Blade of Nyssor [0(5)] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Dahlia Hallyr [17] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Lys Healer [3] Priest of Nyssor [4] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] Ryssovass Defenders (min) [10] Ryssovass Defenders (min) [10]
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Dec 6, 2018 22:24:37 GMT
Well thought out oni!
I definitely will not forget that now. I'm really excited to see this in action now. C'mon Christmas break and get here quick!
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Post by onijet01 on Dec 6, 2018 22:54:45 GMT
Well thought out oni! I definitely will not forget that now. I'm really excited to see this in action now. C'mon Christmas break and get here quick! Thanks, im not good at mussle memory games but i play mental games constantly
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 7, 2018 3:43:28 GMT
So knowing you wanted more jacks i did this:
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - New Army
Theme: Defenders of Ios 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lord Ghyrrshyld, the Forgiven - WJ: +28 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Chimera - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Hydra - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15) - Phoenix - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5) - Siren - PC: 8
Aelyth Vyr, Blade of Nyssor - PC: 0 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 4 Priest of Nyssor - PC: 4
Ryssovass Defenders - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1 Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters - Cylena & 9 Grunts: 19 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1
THEME: Defenders of Ios ---
GENERATED : 12/06/2018 22:33:06 BUILD ID : 2069.18-10-06
Hydra and siren because they both really like keeping focus ( for arcane vortex synergy) and 2 arc nodes. One fast unit with ranged attacks, one slow unit of weaponmasters.
I'd probably keep the priest near hunters if trying to use ranged attacks to clear infantry and keep it near defenders if you're going into a match against high defense beasts ( like a +3 def and dodge feat kind of game) where g4 debuff and priest can hopefully help deliver enough accuracy.
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