isotope
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Post by isotope on Dec 1, 2018 1:54:32 GMT
Rumor mill on reddit says they've told employees "take a pay cut or resign". Considering there's been 3-4 departures in the last two months I'd be inclined to believe the rumor.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 1, 2018 2:09:05 GMT
Yeah, it could be a, "Quit before you get fired," or a, "I'm getting so sick of what's coming down the chute, I can't take it anymore." Most people don't just up and quit without a plan to go somewhere else unless some bad blood came up some where.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2018 5:07:05 GMT
pagini is apparently rich and dont need to work. watever his reason it wasnt cashola
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2018 5:10:03 GMT
in fact here is a thot. he quit to remove himself from teh payrole so folks dont hav to quit or take a paycut. he will not be replaced
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Post by mydnight on Dec 1, 2018 5:19:54 GMT
in fact here is a thot. he quit to remove himself from teh payrole so folks dont hav to quit or take a paycut. he will not be replaced If true that still bodes pretty ill for PP.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2018 5:28:54 GMT
in fact here is a thot. he quit to remove himself from teh payrole so folks dont hav to quit or take a paycut. he will not be replaced If true that still bodes pretty ill for PP. well nothing that has happened in the last year suggests anything other than serious financial trouble for pp. i am worried
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2018 7:03:54 GMT
Just when I get back into the game after a few years hiatus, spending a couple grand getting the newest models for the four armies I play and hobby stuff, this talk of PP not doing good is disconcerting. I hope all is good with the company but I think I will hold off on future purchases for a while... holding off on purchases is not the right approach at this time. Support the company
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 1, 2018 7:26:21 GMT
The rate of mystery box sales does make me worry about PPs financial health, but then they apparently have money for RIOTQUEST!! So I don't know what to think
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Post by dogganmguest on Dec 1, 2018 7:43:46 GMT
Rumor mill on reddit says they've told employees "take a pay cut or resign". Considering there's been 3-4 departures in the last two months I'd be inclined to believe the rumor. Pagani posted in the same thread saying that was completely untrue. PP might be a sinking ship, but I don't thinkk it's that bad. More likely it's just an unpleasant line of work that takes too much of a toll on someone who's not thoroughly dependent on the job.
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Post by frumiousbandersnatch on Dec 1, 2018 8:50:57 GMT
Notice how he didn't thank Wilson. That guy runs all the talent out of the company. It's sad how many amazing ideas that go on at PP never get to see the light of day or come out half-baked and flop. But instead we get a re-release of MonPoc and things like RiotQuest which were quietly taken out back and shot.
Company of Iron should have had the campaign rules and progression that were in the works from the start and the launch box should not have been just awful.
CID has been a fantastic process and great for the gamestate of WarmaHordes, but honestly without Pagani there is no CID. This is really disappointing.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 1, 2018 10:17:32 GMT
Notice how he didn't thank Wilson. That guy runs all the talent out of the company. It's sad how many amazing ideas that go on at PP never get to see the light of day or come out half-baked and flop. But instead we get a re-release of MonPoc and things like RiotQuest which were quietly taken out back and shot. Company of Iron should have had the campaign rules and progression that were in the works from the start and the launch box should not have been just awful. CID has been a fantastic process and great for the gamestate of WarmaHordes, but honestly without Pagani there is no CID. This is really disappointing. CID is what's killing the game, at least around here, and without Pagani, it can only get worse. They could salvage it if they really wanted to, but they won't. That is, in part, for the reasons you mention, but also because power creep sells new stuff. Still, a team can only fail so much before you have to take a long hard look at its leadership, and yes, Wilson is a big part of the problem. Honestly, at this point, I do hope he sells the company, and that seems likely. Just not to Firetrucking Hasbro. However, another big part of the problem is the players having unreasonable and conflicting expectations. Yes, Riotquest was a dumb idea and should never have made it past the concept stage, but Company of Iron should not have failed. it was a good game and a good answer to things that players have been requesting for years. Yes, they took way too long getting the campaign rules out and there should have been an alternative starter with everything but the minis for people who didn't want them. But there was still plenty for us to grab onto, especially since we could dabble in another faction and so on. Yet not nearly enough players would even look at it because it wasn't STEAMROLLERZ 75 POINTS!!! And CID is causing huge problems, half of which are also our own damn fault. Power creep is supplied in response to a demand, and that demand comes from players who just want their own stuff to be more powerful than what the last guy got, without even three week's worth of foresight to see that the next guy will do the same to them, and it won't stop until everything is obsolete if it hasn't been through CID in the past 9 months. Faction bias gets downright delusional sometimes. Not only will very few people ever express any concern for the health or balance of the game as a whole, but most can't understand what we're even talking about when we do. Half the people on that forum shouldn't be there at all, and we all know it, but the Devs will barely even try to police it. They just remove every limitation or weakness the current thing happens to have every time the munchkins whine. Does your theme have a corpse collection mechanic? Well, sometimes not every model is full up on corpses, and that just will not do! Does terrain sometimes matter? How about theme-wide... no... Pathfinder isn't good enough anymore, let's use Ghostly next time. Sometimes I roll badly, so I guess I should just play Anamag or the viable half of Menoth and have army-wide double-digit MAT. :P And it never stops. It's exhausting even for us. Models are always changing and it's hard to keep up. I can't look at half of my collection without thinking of how to change it rather than how to use it. And no, I can't just ignore CID, because then I'll get blindsided when suddenly Piggybacks can fly. I can't imagine what it's like for the people for whom developing and playtesting this game is their actual full-time job.
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Post by dazzla on Dec 1, 2018 11:13:37 GMT
Very sad that Pagani is leaving. While it is hard to know the inner workings of PP, he seemed to contribute a lot.
I also agree with comments that unbalanced player expectations have upset the CID process.
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Post by jisidro on Dec 1, 2018 11:36:20 GMT
The object of CID is to put models on the table and that is working.
The biggest fail imo is that cid cycle brought a very reduced release cycle per faction which translates into a "cheap" game/faction and somehow wmh feels very expensive.
Take circle... 2017/2018 was Una2 and woldwight? 2018/2019 will be big release time 1 structure, 2 small based models and 2 man unit. Very easy to keep up.
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Post by sgtshamrock on Dec 1, 2018 11:39:12 GMT
Just when I get back into the game after a few years hiatus, spending a couple grand getting the newest models for the four armies I play and hobby stuff, this talk of PP not doing good is disconcerting. I hope all is good with the company but I think I will hold off on future purchases for a while... holding off on purchases is not the right approach at this time. Support the company I will continue to support the company, but I need to be financially smart. If I spend money into a company such as this I need to know there is a reasonable return on my investment should I need to or decide to give up the game. Right now I can sell my models and get a return of at least 60 to 70 percent of my investment. If the company goes under or is not supported anymore then who in their right mind is going to shell out a couple grand for models they can't use? I absolutely love Privateer Press, I'm just going to take a back seat for now to see how things are going to progress. I hope it will be all good for us in the future.
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Post by crow on Dec 1, 2018 14:53:49 GMT
I don't know if I agree that CID is making it as bad a GW's Codex rotation where the last army looked at is the MOST POWERFUL EVER!!! I mean yes stuff is strong, but it's still beatable. I mean I play Convergence and using CWL I've almost beaten Primal Terrors. I would have beat it if I hadn't screwed up some positioning (which was SUPER easy to do I just pulled a dumb). I've beaten it with Hammer Strike dwarves (non-Ossrum). I mean... yes things go through CID and yes they may get more powerful... but I have yet to see anything that I don't have an answer to. I've also noticed some unplayed models get the chance at being made pretty stellar, which is cool!
As for Pagani leaving? That does suck... I do wonder how things are gonna go forward from here, but I do think they'll continue forward.
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