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Post by sand20go on Nov 27, 2018 22:20:38 GMT
First I LOVE the cid. I mean I love it.
But the only thing not getting me to bend down on a knee and marry it is that I couldn't find the "fluff" fun other than it is our "scary khador".
And then it struck me.
These are really not nice dudes (and crazed criminals chained to swords). Everyone else should NOT want to be around them (and this is true in the fluff as well)
The fluff consistent thing is that this theme should restrict us to a very limited group of Mercs. Given everything it should be just Thamarite models (currently just Ragman) and Alexia. This also, usefully, limits the whole ridiculousness of popping a caster with A&H+V and the new Ternion Arm debuff and then shooting it full of 3 dice to hit sprays.
I know it is a bit of a nerf. But it is fluff consistent and might allow us to have our new toys.
(BTW - anyone else got a good idea fluff consistent Scary khador?)
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Post by michael on Nov 28, 2018 0:12:01 GMT
Fluff has taken such a back seat to most gameplay considerations this edition that I don’t think this is anything to even bother with.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 28, 2018 0:58:11 GMT
Yeah, the Greylords are actually really bad dudes, but look at all the folks who will work for Cryx. Anyway, don’t make any suggestions that take away my access to Saxon or a 2 point Tinker.
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Post by leotherat on Nov 28, 2018 1:52:49 GMT
Just for verification- isn't "Scary Khador" the true name for what everyone else refers to as Cryx? Checking the map in Michael's icon it seems this is the case.
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Post by auraco on Nov 28, 2018 2:59:15 GMT
Greylords have the habit of hiring all kinds of people, mercenaries don't tend to care as long as they get paid and not badly treated. I don't see PP limiting what's allowed other than the character/ non character restrictions that are already in place.
Not that I've even seen anyone play them in mk3 but steelhead don't care as long as you pay. I'm pretty sure pirates are the same. Dwarf are too professional to say no just because the other guy looks shady as long as he holds his end of the contract.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 28, 2018 3:24:24 GMT
I mean, the Retribution is hiring human mages. All bets are off.
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Post by michael on Nov 28, 2018 3:25:11 GMT
I mean, the Retribution is hiring human mages. All bets are off. See Sand? This. This is what I mean. |
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Post by jdeckert on Nov 28, 2018 4:06:34 GMT
I'd very much be fine if they switched the "no character merc unit" restriction from LoS to WoW.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Nov 28, 2018 6:46:10 GMT
I think the names of the new abilities all lend themselves to the scary dudes thing. Can't remember the names off the top my head, but was playing yesterday and my opponent and I just kept thinking every ability sounds mean and bad ass.
Cheers,
Dave
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Post by borderprince on Nov 28, 2018 8:09:27 GMT
I like the "scary" vibe. This is the Greylords unleashed, not hiding what they are from the rest of Khador. And I like it.
That said, I don't think that should preclude most mercenaries. Quite a few are, as people have noted, perfectly willing to work with Cryx (Steelheads, Pirates, Croe's etc). They may not be entirely comfortable doing it, but they will. That doesn't apply to all mercs, but quite a few of those who will work of Khador. As for others:
Nyss Hunters and Eiryss - this is the group that imprisoned their god. Definitely worth keeping a close eye on them. Eiryss has been doing that kind of work for years;
Aiyana & Holt (and Sylys, remember him?) - I don't think it has ever been said explicitly, but Aiyana is fairly obviously a Seeker and Sylys definitely is. They are meant to be committed to finding any knowledge that might help. An arcane research organisation (which just happens to cross some moral boundaries now and again) sounds right up their alley. Eilish probably falls into the same category.
Kayazy - Zerkova has quite a long-standing relationship with them and they're in it for the money anyway. Earning some credit with one of Khador's internal security agencies is probably also welcome to members of the various Kayazy families.
The one merc I think it is hard to find a justification for is Harlan Versh. Fellblades are necromantic weapons, so should be high on his unacceptable list and he isn't presented as the kind of person to look aside (unlike Eiryss, for example, who managed to restrain herself for years when working with human wizards). That kind of restriction might be better represented with an Animosity on his part rather than a theme rule though. Fortunately the other Morrowan mercs don't work for Khador anyway, but the same kind of problem might arise.
But then I can't run my "People doomed by ancient magical swords" list with Doomreavers + Alexia1 which I really want. Plese don't spoil my Christmas [there doesn't seem to be a forum emoticon for big, sad, puppy eyes, so please imagine one here].
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Post by auraco on Nov 28, 2018 15:08:06 GMT
I'd very much be fine if they switched the "no character merc unit" restriction from LoS to WoW. I'd very much just they drop the no character merc unit or solo all together. What character unit would break legion of steel? With the changes comming to wolves of winter, even if just half the change sticks, Legion of steel will be our worst theme by a fair margin, kind of like our infernal machine in cryx terms. Which solo would break winterguard kommand? Reinholdt? With the Adjunct comming to the theme I don't think Reinholdt would be an issue. |
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Post by michael on Nov 28, 2018 17:19:16 GMT
I'd very much be fine if they switched the "no character merc unit" restriction from LoS to WoW. I'd very much just they drop the no character merc unit or solo all together. What character unit would break legion of steel? With the changes comming to wolves of winter, even if just half the change sticks, Legion of steel will be our worst theme by a fair margin, kind of like our infernal machine in cryx terms. Which solo would break winterguard kommand? Reinholdt? With the Adjunct comming to the theme I don't think Reinholdt would be an issue. Reinholdt is pretty lame compared to what a Spriggan can do now, that’s for sure. The supposed reasons for these theme restrictions two years ago seemingly have never been revisited and re-evaluated in light of all the other changes made to models since then. |
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Post by Havock on Nov 28, 2018 22:26:49 GMT
I'd very much be fine if they switched the "no character merc unit" restriction from LoS to WoW. I'd very much just they drop the no character merc unit or solo all together. What character unit would break legion of steel? With the changes comming to wolves of winter, even if just half the change sticks, Legion of steel will be our worst theme by a fair margin, kind of like our infernal machine in cryx terms. Which solo would break winterguard kommand? Reinholdt? With the Adjunct comming to the theme I don't think Reinholdt would be an issue. Yeah, WoW will do everything legion does, but better aside from some cute countercharge tricks.
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