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Post by Soul Samurai on Nov 22, 2018 7:50:27 GMT
I thought we could have a thread for those who would like to step out of theme on occasion, even if it's just for a bit of theoretic list building that they don't actually plan on putting on the table. Perhaps if people enjoy it, it could even be stickied?
To start things off, I've been contemplating casual lists designed around delivering a light jack under a Forgeseer into an Arcane Shield-ed heavy. You really want free charges to make this approach the point of being worthwhile, so I'm thinking a young Vlad or Sorscha. Here's where I am so far:
Sorscha 2 - Beast 09 - Destroyer Forgeseer - Rager Nyss Hunters Alexia & the Risen Gobber Tinker
Sorscha 2 because if the whole point of the list is to deliver a marshaled jack, then you might as well use her feat to really make the most of it. Plus you might just put Iron Flesh on the Forgeseer to help protect him from being chipped to death by POW 10s. The Rager because he's more likely to get there and can help keep the Forgeseer alive. Beast 09 because he's good and that's a second shield guard. Italic entries are models that I added simply because I own them and I'm used to them, not because I think they are the best choices for the job. This is a 50 point list since that's what we play locally.
Are there any lists or specific model combinations you guys have considered but had to give up on because they didn't fit in any themes?
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 22, 2018 12:22:03 GMT
Vlad3 Cavalry is the one that really wants non-theme, and Sorscha's Eleven is the classic (although, it's pretty bad in Mk3).
For the longest time I was simply running a unit of Shocktroopers, a unit of WGI/Rifles, and a unit of Pikemen as the basis of a list. Solid in scenario, good ranged game, good power. It just played pretty well into all sorts of things. I keep thinking of taking it up again, trying the Strike Tankers instead of the WMMM.
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Post by Ganso on Nov 22, 2018 17:25:34 GMT
I kinda want to try a list that utterly punishes Huge bases by running Strike Tankers, Marauders, Behemoth and Rockets. Under Vlad_1 of course  anything that punches way above it's weight class with rules like Armor Piercer and Siege Weapon. Ah to live the dream. |
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Post by jdeckert on Nov 22, 2018 18:39:28 GMT
This has been one of my favorite lists for all of Mk3, and will only get better with the CID changes. The only issue I have with Irusk2 and reavers is that he doesn't help their accuracy. Behemoth and the WGRC can be more accurate when aiming or CRAing so the list threatens casters a little better. conflictchamber.com/#c3201b797w8t888888887Y7WKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Irusk 2] Supreme Kommandant Irusk [+27] - Behemoth [25] Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Winter Guard Rifle Corps (max) [13] - Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6] |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Nov 23, 2018 6:36:30 GMT
Rather than run the whole Sorscha 2 thing, I think my first try at taking the Forgeseer for a spin might just be in my current Andy2 list: conflictchamber.com/#c3200OgykV7shFkZ6i758IKhador Army - 50 / 50 points [Malakov 2] Kommander Andrei Malakov [+28] - Beast 09 [18] - Kodiak [13] Greylord Forge Seer [4] - Rager [10] Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] - Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4] Most of that list is basically unchanged from my last Khador game. I think I will end up putting Repo on the Rager so he can keep up (trample+repo), and so he can take shots and repo back to safety if I'm not ready to commit him. |
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Post by Netherby on Nov 23, 2018 11:38:50 GMT
Hmm, well I'm not a fan of how themes have panned out. But we are very stuck with them for now... So I guess the question that comes to my mind is: What casters/lists can be competitive outside of a theme? (I know, not really the point of the thread, but it's adjacent to the point ) The first thing I thought of was, which casters don't really fit in any theme currently? Vlad3 is an obvious one, are there any others? I'm not sure about Z2? The second thing is, what powerful model interactions can we get that wouldn't be possible in a theme? Like would putting Alexia1 with Strack2 and a bunch of IFP be something scary? Add in some other choice mercs like Ragman? I dunno... But there has to be at least a few interesting ones, right? |
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Post by Netherby on Nov 24, 2018 10:27:46 GMT
So, continuing... Vlad 3 should be an interesting one?
Khador Army - 75 / 75 points
[Vladimir 3] Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey [+27]
- Devastator [14]
- Devastator [14]
Greylord Outriders (max) [17]
Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Winter Guard Gun Carriage [17]
Going with CID cost on Outriders... I think you only want one unit of them. But do you really want two units of Uhlans? I mean the feat is basically your best chance to live the dream of charging twice... I don't think I like taking two units of them though. The Gun Carriage should be pretty sweet and since you're looking to hit and run, the two Devastators are basically there to hold scenario while you run.
I would like to replace the second Uhlans with something, but I'm not sure what...
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Post by jdeckert on Nov 24, 2018 11:16:55 GMT
If the doom reavers stay at 10, you could drop a unit of uhlans for two units of reavers. Dash should be awesome on them, and you keep some ARM cracking that way.
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Post by Havock on Nov 24, 2018 21:54:12 GMT
Sorscha2 doesn't want themeless, she wants some CID love.
Honestly, the best place for S2 may be Legion of Steel or Armored Corps.
In the case of the former: Sure, pikemen are going to die like flies, but those that get through, well, hurt.
In the case of the latter it's all about not giving a Firetruck about "a little much armor" anymore.
After all, even with a limited amount of attacks, how many [insert warjacks/beats here] are really going to enjoy PS14 decapitation charges?
Not to mention the assassination potential for a pair of supression tankers going all out on an opposing caster.
Or herself, in both cases you can just use your list to pry open the other list so Sorscha can get to the other caster, at which point most things are pretty much dead, don't forget that the Focus powerfield change was a boost to her output: First you roll damage, then you multiply, then you do -5.
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Post by Netherby on Nov 26, 2018 5:56:34 GMT
I'm thinking maybe swap 2nd unit of Uhlans for Fenris and Markov. Sure, Markov isn't doing heaps but even with 1 full unit tactician helps when you want them to charge the same thing. Then you have room for a 4 point solo.
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 27, 2018 9:40:50 GMT
I think themeless may have just got a boost if the Wolves changes stick; 6 point Greylords with an ARM debuff, Koldun Lords with Puppet Master and a RFP attack. Shame they're all losing Frostbite, though
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Post by P'tit Nico on Nov 27, 2018 10:48:45 GMT
I think themeless may have just got a boost if the Wolves changes stick; 6 point Greylords with an ARM debuff, Koldun Lords with Puppet Master and a RFP attack. Shame they're all losing Frostbite, though The Greylord Ternion is currently 7 points in CID, not 6. |
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 27, 2018 10:59:55 GMT
Oh, yes, good catch.
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Post by Havock on Nov 27, 2018 14:27:00 GMT
One more for the Sorscha1 jank pile.
She doesn't need Ice Cage but sure loves an ARM debuff.
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 27, 2018 16:47:47 GMT
One more for the Sorscha1 jank pile. She doesn't need Ice Cage but sure loves an ARM debuff. Sorscha1's FOC6 absolutely loves an Ice Cage on that tricky-to-hit Freezing Grip target! She'll also love Guidance and Puppet Master. She's basically going to roll deep with a Greylord entourage. |
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anything that punches way above it's weight class with rules like Armor Piercer and Siege Weapon.
