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Post by auraco on Nov 19, 2018 16:01:46 GMT
The CID discussion is more going toward spaming doom reavers and complaining about the vocal people in the CID, so I'll start this here to talk about the adjunct since he affects way more than just Wolves.
So how awesome is this guy? I for one really like him and just keep finding cool new interactions.
First he'll replace Sylys in most of my lists where I was taking him, and open up the merc slot for something else. Even casters with a lot of offensive spells might want to take the adjunct over Sylys in the end. Sorscha1 can now cast freezing grip while keeping fog of war up without giving the concealment buff to her enemy. I'll just replace Sylys for the adjunct in my Sorscha3 list and be way happier with access to magic weapons than with arcane secret. I think this guy solves a lot of issues we had, I'll still keep Ayanna & holt in a couple of my lists for sure, but they feel less necessary with guidance in faction and available in every theme.
Also from all the battle reports I've seen I don't think the Adjunct will change, everyone puts him as green, so that's a good sign.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Nov 19, 2018 16:05:32 GMT
What really shows that he was needed is pretty much all of the oppenents also agree its what Khador needed and is green as is
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 19, 2018 16:11:10 GMT
Yeah, I just played a Sorscha1 game with him yesterday. My Sorscha1 Legion of Steel list was designed as a Cryx drop, but still struggled to deal with certain aspects (i.e. Wraith Engines, or there being more than 2-3 incorporeal solos).
Not any more. I miss Arcane Secrets, but Guidance is the bees knees. Either on Sorscha so she can see through clouds and ignore FoW, or on the Conquest so it can just murder all the little ghost popsicles on her feat turn.
On top of that, him being FF meant I could get Ragman in there. Turned out it was massive overkill into Cryx infantry, but I'm sure it'll be super useful into things with better ARM.
I think the discussion hasn't focused as much on the Adjunct because he's not a thing on his own. He just makes other things better. Whereas 9pt Doom Reavers seem to have the potential to be pretty oppressive; I want them to be good, sure, but you shouldn't be able to run them into an excellent Cygnar gunline and win.
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Post by auraco on Nov 19, 2018 16:32:08 GMT
I hadn't though about the Adjunct to help legion of steel against cryx, but it is true that the conquest has enough attacks to make the most out of guidance. This is exactly the kind of interactions I keep finding out and that are amazing for us. The Adjunct might be a boring release in most other faction but he's going to have a massive impact on us. What is your exact list?
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 19, 2018 16:38:34 GMT
Khador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Legion of Steel
!!! Your army contains a CID entry.
[Sorscha 1] Kommander Sorscha [+29] - Conquest [35] - Greylord Adjunct [0(4)] Iron Fang Kovnik [0(4)] Kapitan Sofya Skirova [0(5)] Ragman [4] Uhlan Kovnik Markov [7] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4] Iron Fang Pikemen (max) [15] - Iron Fang Pikemen Officer & Standard [4] Iron Fang Uhlans (max) [20]
Basically I swapped Sylys for the Adjunct and one of the Kovniks for Ragman. I'm wondering if I should swap Sofia out; I don't really need the +1 or the Shield Guard when I can freeze everything and generally sit at DEF20 behind a Colossal, but Precision Strike is great. She's such a good scenario contester, though.
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Post by auraco on Nov 19, 2018 16:46:36 GMT
I'd keep her for the scenario value alone. Veteran leader also has it's uses, making pikemen hit stalkers on average rolls is never bad in my book and against def 13 models I'd rather hit on 5s than 6s. Ragman could be swaped for a kovnik I guess, but even then it seems more like fine tuning at this point. I have to say it's the first legion of steel list that I find inspiring in a long time, so that's good.
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Post by michael on Nov 19, 2018 16:57:22 GMT
I will probably buy one.
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Post by smoothcriminal on Nov 19, 2018 17:41:30 GMT
I'm trying to find a reason not to include the guy in every single Khador list ever, but I can't. I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) a +2 def cloud (what list doesn't care about that?) and +2 range (literally every single our caster cares about it becase no arcnodes). The guidance is like an afterthougt after that.
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Post by jdeckert on Nov 19, 2018 17:57:17 GMT
Yeah, not having magic weapons was one of the things holding LoS back. I think some folks freaking out about doom reavers are missing what that list can do with that weakness shored up.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Nov 19, 2018 18:25:37 GMT
I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) Vlad1 would like a word Personally I think that between the adjunct and Sorscha0 Khador is going to be in an excellent spot. Lists and pairings seem wide open to me and I'm struggling to make a list that absolutely couldn't be part of a pairing. Will aim to test the adjunct later this week. Just put up a report on Wolves of Winter (led by Old Witch2). Cheers, Dave
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Post by auraco on Nov 19, 2018 18:39:06 GMT
I'm trying to find a reason not to include the guy in every single Khador list ever, but I can't. I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) a +2 def cloud (what list doesn't care about that?) and +2 range (literally every single our caster cares about it becase no arcnodes). The guidance is like an afterthougt after that. He's going to have a place in most list, but I think guidance is the main reason. Paying 4 points for a free upkeep is not worth it most of the time in my opinion, and the +2 range on spell has limited applications on most of our casters, especially when guidance gives both eyeless sight and magic weapons. But unless playing on an open field guidance will have a use.
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Post by auraco on Nov 19, 2018 19:17:56 GMT
I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) Vlad1 would like a word Personally I think that between the adjunct and Sorscha0 Khador is going to be in an excellent spot. Lists and pairings seem wide open to me and I'm struggling to make a list that absolutely couldn't be part of a pairing. Will aim to test the adjunct later this week. Just put up a report on Wolves of Winter (led by Old Witch2). Cheers, Dave Yeah the Adjunct and Sorscha0 will make a big difference in how we play, big difference for the best and I think khador isn't in a bad place to begin with.
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Post by michael on Nov 19, 2018 19:27:08 GMT
I mean it's a free upkeep (what caster doesn't use them?) Vlad1 would like a word Also Harkevich.
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Post by Ganso on Nov 19, 2018 20:24:40 GMT
The most important thing about the Adjunct I think is that I get to play with Eilish now Seriously, I don't think Sorscha will be missing Arcane Secrets when Eilish can Puppet Master her. Maybe a bit of support bloat, but man does having my merc slot free feels me with joy
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Post by Zaku on Nov 19, 2018 20:43:02 GMT
I am interested to try the Adjunct with Behemoth in a Jaws list.
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