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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 8, 2018 5:00:30 GMT
Since we only have a few weeks before the next roster is announced, what are you hoping to see? I think it would be neat to see some casters who are a little off-beat, and nothing as strong as Kreuger 2 let alone in Bones. I do not, however, want to see anyone not really have many choices for pairings. Right now I'm not sure what Cygnar would do other than Siege in Gravediggers and Kraye in Heavy Metal, for example, though I don't play Cygnar. I'd like to see each faction get one of its casters who is not bad but not seen often, like Gunny or Jarl in Trolls or the Rezniks for Menoth. I do think that the rosters should be curated and balanced against each other and not just "grab the four least popular casters" but I do not think that they should include the main lists that define the regular Steamroller meta like Anamag in Primal Terrors.
Then there's the question of whether everyone should have a battlegroup theme. The limited factions don't have much choice in that, as they will always run with the two that they have. But does that mean that every faction must always use a battlegroup theme? Or is it enough if they simply have a way to deal with opposing jack spam if it happens?
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 8, 2018 6:22:03 GMT
For Skorne, I think we're going to be seeing the Exalted Theme present, so probably Zaal2 and Mak3. It would be interesting to see Disciples of Agony, but I could see Masters of War brought in for some changes.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 8, 2018 6:50:43 GMT
Weren't they going to put every cycle in CID from now on, with the express goal of making sure that everyone has something playable as opposed to "grab the four least popular casters"?
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 8, 2018 7:54:51 GMT
Weren't they going to put every cycle in CID from now on, with the express goal of making sure that everyone has something playable as opposed to "grab the four least popular casters"? They are, I just wanted to be clear that I am in favor of that and not looking to go back to the way that it was. What I am not in favor of is anything even questionably S-Tier in Champions. That is not just to lower the power curve and prevent one or two factions from bullying the format but also because the players of that faction would feel shoehorned into playing that list and it would defeat the purpose of having a different format if the same lists led the pack. |
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Post by benjamini on Nov 8, 2018 14:05:09 GMT
I just hope it's not Armored Corps and Jaws again for Khador!
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 8, 2018 22:17:09 GMT
I just hope it's not Armored Corps and Jaws again for Khador! That's fair. While it might not seem fair at first to give you your two best themes, I do think that MOW and WGK are the right choices. The key is choosing the right casters to put you in a good spot without giving you Irusk 2 and two infantry themes. The good news there is that Malakov or the Strakovs could probably fill that niche just fine, or even Irusk 1 if he is not too much. I'm partial to swapping OW2 back in and Zerkova out for that slot but I can see that going either way. And I'm assuming that they will want to keep Sorscha 3 around. |
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 8, 2018 22:30:41 GMT
For Skorne, I think we're going to be seeing the Exalted Theme present, so probably Zaal2 and Mak3. It would be interesting to see Disciples of Agony, but I could see Masters of War brought in for some changes. Exalted seems very likely, I'm just worried about Makeda 3 being a bit too strong for what I have in mind. I guess that would depend on other specifics. Disciples of Agony does not seem likely, if only because of the player-collection and list-building angles, but maybe this Champions format is a chance for it to shine. I'm not sure DOA has enough competitive builds especially when it would likely be limited to a choice of Xekaar or what, Morghul 1? Naaresh? But hey, I did say I wanted to see some more unusual things this time around! |
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 8, 2018 23:16:27 GMT
Disciples of Agony is interesting in that it is the least flexible in Warlocks for Skorne, but the most flexible in units and Battlegroup of any Theme. That's actually what makes it hard to make it easily competitive.
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Post by benjamini on Nov 8, 2018 23:58:48 GMT
That's fair. While it might not seem fair at first to give you your two best themes, I do think that MOW and WGK are the right choices. The key is choosing the right casters to put you in a good spot without giving you Irusk 2 and two infantry themes. The good news there is that Malakov or the Strakovs could probably fill that niche just fine, or even Irusk 1 if he is not too much. I'm partial to swapping OW2 back in and Zerkova out for that slot but I can see that going either way. And I'm assuming that they will want to keep Sorscha 3 around. I guess the problem wasn't so much Jaws, it was more that the list of casters they gave us weren't really inclined to run it... I'd be happy to run Jaws if they ended up giving us the likes of Strakhov 1 or OW2 or something (I tried to avoid just jumping straight to the best casters for the theme  , but I figure these two would be interesting to run in it) I hope AC sticks around, mostly because it's pretty fresh, and I am still enthusiastic about running it. In a perfect world for me, they'd get rid of Jaws, and give us either WGK or Wolves of Winter (I know, I know, it sucks... but we don't really do the def skew thing anymore, and it's probably the furthest theme from AC in terms of play style). That being said, if they do as you suggested and give us access to WGK AND OW2... my champions pairing is going to start looking quite a bit like my regular steamroller pairing... and I'm not sure how desirable that is to me personally. |
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Post by oncomingstorm on Nov 15, 2018 0:24:10 GMT
Let's not have Champions rotate for another 6 months. I want to enjoy having a functional Circle roster for a little while longer before we lose Bones, mmkay?
For the next Circle roster, I suspect we'll keep Morv1 and Kaya3, lose Wurmwood and Krueger2, and pick up Iona and...hmmm. Kromac1. With CoTW replacing Bones of Orboros.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 15, 2018 8:42:55 GMT
Let's not have Champions rotate for another 6 months. I want to enjoy having a functional Circle roster for a little while longer before we lose Bones, mmkay? For the next Circle roster, I suspect we'll keep Morv1 and Kaya3, lose Wurmwood and Krueger2, and pick up Iona and...hmmm. Kromac1. With CoTW replacing Bones of Orboros. That sounds highly likely, and there is a lot more to competitive Circle now than two or three casters and one theme. |
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Post by LoS Jaden on Nov 15, 2018 16:00:24 GMT
Man I'd take Iona in the ADR. Pair her with like...Kaya 3 CotW and that seems really good.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Nov 15, 2018 16:57:27 GMT
Man I'd take Iona in the ADR. Pair her with like...Kaya 3 CotW and that seems really good. It seems likely. It's not like there haven't been extremely strong casters in ADR before (and especially recently). See also: Anamag, Bearka, etc. Personally I have mixed feelings about it. I'd like a reason to run Morv1, and I have a feeling that Iona likely beats her out of the pairing (though Morv1 is likely a decent counter to Iona/Tharn, so there's that). |
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 15, 2018 18:15:25 GMT
I reckon Wolves of Winter won't be one of the Khador ones, simply because they're putting the models in it through CID at the moment. The rules release would come after the announcement.
If they try to avoid repeats, that leaves them with Winter Guard Kommand and Legion of Steel. Casters is anyone's guess
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, but I figure these two would be interesting to run in it)
