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Post by moridamn on Nov 8, 2018 20:17:03 GMT
That is correct and I learned that last night in fact. Still a powerful combo, but will be editing. In fact, that only increases the value of the Warder, who can be Sucker'd repeatedly even while on 0 wounds due to Inhuman Resolve. If you make the Warder immune to knockdown, he can shield guard at 0 as well. Not always relevant, but has came up in my HR games before.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Nov 9, 2018 6:55:24 GMT
Too much testing, too little time. Don't make me test Ravelator as well by convincing it's better than Judicator under Reznik2. But Madelyn suckering to 0HP warder over and over again is really hilarious and powerfull combo.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Nov 9, 2018 20:00:11 GMT
The Warder in general is probably our most underrated release from the Exemplar CID. He's not always necessary, but his toolset is very powerful. I played him in a few CID games and he was hilariously frustrating for my opponents. My Cygnar opponent was ready to launch him out a window by the end of our game after three turns of him Shield Guarding and then healing back up because of Inhuman Resolve.
More spicy Warder tech: Sucker! the hit onto a Warder and knock him down. Then Sucker! the next hit onto a Mechanik or something, killing him and healing the Warder. Watch your opponent drop their tape measure in frustration.
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Post by paradox on Nov 9, 2018 20:25:18 GMT
The Warder in general is probably our most underrated release from the Exemplar CID. He's not always necessary, but his toolset is very powerful. I played him in a few CID games and he was hilariously frustrating for my opponents. My Cygnar opponent was ready to launch him out a window by the end of our game after three turns of him Shield Guarding and then healing back up because of Inhuman Resolve. More spicy Warder tech: Sucker! the hit onto a Warder and knock him down. Then Sucker! the next hit onto a Mechanik or something, killing him and healing the Warder. Watch your opponent drop their tape measure in frustration. Its really the post CID changes. Going from attachment to Bodyguard solo means he doesnt have to compete with the hierophant.
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Post by Hashmal on Nov 9, 2018 20:33:51 GMT
Yeah, that was the kicker. Most of this write-up was done pre-CID release, which is why I originally passed over him because he was directly competing with both Madelyn and the Hierophant, and he lost almost always to one of those two. Now that he's just a Bodyguard solo, he can be taken in so many lists, and adds a lot of real scenario presence to any that he's in.
Plus, PP now gets to sell two of them to each of us as opposed to one. 100% more anticipated profits sounds good to me.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 9, 2018 20:45:33 GMT
Yeah, that was the kicker. Most of this write-up was done pre-CID release, which is why I originally passed over him because he was directly competing with both Madelyn and the Hierophant, and he lost almost always to one of those two. Now that he's just a Bodyguard solo, he can be taken in so many lists, and adds a lot of real scenario presence to any that he's in. Plus, PP now gets to sell two of them to each of us as opposed to one. 100% more anticipated profits sounds good to me. [ I still want to run 2 Knights E Senny’s with a Warder each and gravus under Harbinger just to make opponents crap themselves in frustration. Def 16 Knights E senny with steady...
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Post by moquan on Nov 10, 2018 14:27:33 GMT
Hashmal How do you feel about your list, with 2 min choir, and a Warder instead of a Vassal, into Denny2 Black Industries?
Edit: list for references.
[Theme] The Creator's Might
[Reznik 2] Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] - Repenter [8] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Templar [15] - Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan [4] Exemplar Warder [0(5)] Scrutator Potentate Severius [0(6)] - Templar [15] Vassal Mechanik [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Nov 10, 2018 19:15:47 GMT
I'm going to punt and say that it would largely depend on what she takes. As I said earlier, my build isn't super amazing into heavy spam. That said, the Denny2 BI lists I have seen previously are more quality than quantity in the battlegroup, which makes this a game. MAT 7/9 POW 16 Repenters still punk Slayers in melee.
Caster vs caster, it's a very live game. Denny2 doesn't like this matchup because she has to play scared of dying randomly and she doesn't get a feat. However, she has an amazing spell list and amazing arc nodes. Madelyn should keep you safe from the Dark Banishment assassination, but beware of a Venom getting her - it's a relevant threat. The key to winning is if you can deal with her arc nodes and then leverage Lamentation while keeping Reznik safe.
Notes for the game I would pay attention to: 1. Hellmouth means Idrians die. Oh well. Even if you crowd around Scourge, he can just Hellmouth his own dude outside of Arcane Vortex range. Just spread and mitigate to the best of your ability.
2. Watch your threat vectors. Denny's jacks go far in this list. Keep Shielding up always. I would consider not even dropping it when you go into melee.
3. Sevy0 is vulnerable. Cast Mystic Wards to protect him and his jack as needed.
4. Deal with the arc nodes. This will open up Reznik's ability to bully the board. If you get to the point where you can fully leverage Lamentation, you are winning.
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Post by moridamn on Nov 24, 2018 12:19:36 GMT
Does anyone have any wisdom to share on running reznik2 during a journeyman league? I've got a friend who wants to play him, but they are newer to the game. Any suggestions aside from adding Corbeau asap? The league hasn't started yet.
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Post by privvy on Nov 24, 2018 14:24:57 GMT
Don't throw in Scourge of Heresy first. He's at an awkward point value (leaving you with 13 WJ points left, so you never get exactly 0 with a decent list) while being expensive and slow. The bond could come into play, and it would be a strong attrition swing that early in the game, but then you're hoping that whatever is left can't just kill Reznik or that he doesn't fail to kill his target. With Scourge, you're casting Boundless Charge on it every time you want to send Reznik in.
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Post by jarrow on Nov 26, 2018 12:45:54 GMT
I would go something like:
0p [Reznik 2] Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Guardian [15] - Indictor [14]
15p [Reznik 2] Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Dervish [7] - Guardian [15] - Indictor [14] - Repenter [8]
30p [Theme] The Creator's Might [Reznik 2] Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Dervish [7] - Guardian [15] - Indictor [14] - Repenter [8] Exemplar Warder [0(5)] Vassal Mechanik [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Idrian Skirmishers (min) [9]
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 26, 2018 13:14:51 GMT
3. Sevy0 is vulnerable. Cast Mystic Wards to protect him and his jack as needed. Keep in mind mystic wards does not affect venom though, and hellmouth is a good way to get around it as well. 15/15 is decent but boosted pow 12's are gonna hurt
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Nov 26, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
Hence the "as needed" bit. Hellmouth can be hard to leverage against Sevy0 himself given that he is likely to play very far back and can pretty easily be kept from friendly Hellmouth targets, AND Mystic Wards truncates the range of it. She can cast it on a Cryx model near him, sure, but that can be really difficult to execute because of where he typically plays. Like I said, just gotta be heads up.
Venom isn't too much of a worry, though. First, it is a POW 10. And second, you should have camp. She needs a roll of 14 to risk him dying to Corrosion, or a 15 to kill him through camp. That's asking a lot, especially when she also needs an 8 to hit and just sacrificed a node to get him.
I'm actually more alert for his 'jack getting tagged. That dude is frequently in Hellmouth range.
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Post by paradox on Nov 26, 2018 20:57:17 GMT
Im thinking to CID this tomorrow:
Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses
!!! Your army contains CID entries.
[Reznik 2] Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Judicator [34] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan [4] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)] Initiates of the Wall [7] Initiates of the Wall [7]
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Post by Hashmal on Nov 27, 2018 22:29:22 GMT
That looks fun, though now the Initiates are 8 points again.
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