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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 5, 2018 13:43:22 GMT
Here are the lists: conflictchamber.com/?event=590Conspicuously absent: Khador Kinda sad, but maybe we’ll become the ‘stealth’ faction that no one knows how to fight because they never see us? Ok, no. Any battlefield reports from attendees? |
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 5, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
Skorne is missing too, so I assume there was simply a 'no red factions' rule
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Post by crimsyn on Nov 5, 2018 14:47:08 GMT
Khador had a perfect record, nerf Khador.
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Post by skathrex on Nov 5, 2018 15:25:10 GMT
To small a sample sice.
Also: NA has a not many Khador players or at least not a large number of better ones.
NA is where the narrative of "Khador is bad" comes from.
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Post by benjamini on Nov 5, 2018 16:56:32 GMT
It is a small sample size, I'll give you that. I think that there is something worth noting however: several players who have played quite a bit of Khador in the past have chosen to play other factions here.
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 5, 2018 18:04:02 GMT
Eh, I don't think that means anything. Matt McWatters (Cryx) and Tim Banky (Trollbloods) were part of an all-Khador winning team at the Wisconsin team tournament, remember. It's just a thing that people do.
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Post by benjamini on Nov 5, 2018 19:13:54 GMT
I'm probably reading more into it than is merited, I will admit. I tend to think of myself on as relatively low on the "Doom and Gloom Scale". I don't have any problem doing well in local events with Khador... and that is good enough for me for the time being  . |
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Post by Ganso on Nov 5, 2018 19:48:22 GMT
To small a sample sice. Also: NA has a not many Khador players or at least not a large number of better ones. NA is where the narrative of "Khador is bad" comes from. Well, it's not coming from the West Coast (SoCal specifically) I can tell you that  You can't swing a bottle of Vodka without hitting Khadoran around here  |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Nov 5, 2018 19:59:53 GMT
You can't swing a bottle of Vodka without hitting Khadoran around here Then what happens? Really curious about what a Khadoran does when he gets hit by a swinging bottle of vodka. |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 5, 2018 20:00:49 GMT
You can't swing a bottle of Vodka without hitting Khadoran around here Then what happens? Really curious about what a Khadoran does when he gets hit by a swinging bottle of vodka. Says: “Thanks Komrade.” |
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Post by crimsyn on Nov 5, 2018 20:12:19 GMT
To small a sample sice. Also: NA has a not many Khador players or at least not a large number of better ones. NA is where the narrative of "Khador is bad" comes from. Honestly, I feel like playing Khador and engaging with the community is kind of miserable these days because of two competing narratives. First is the “Dominate for Two” narrative that Khador is bad and that if you want to be serious about the game, you need to switch to a better faction. Second is the narrative that Khador is really powerful but all Khador players just suck. Not saying I’m going to make the WTC anytime soon, but it gets frustrating that when I do do well, the narrative is that it is because my warjacks are too good not because I did something to outplay my opponent. Maybe I’m thinking of the Warmachine community as too much of a hive mind, but it feels like Khador is a Schrodinger’s faction... somehow both a faction for noobs that serious players stay away from because it sucks, but also it’s so OP that if you do manage to win a game with Khador, it’s not a fair representation of your skill because a blind monkey can win with Khador. My response to all this is to tongue in cheek say “Khador OP, plz nerf” to literally every tournament result, whether Khador has a 60% win rate, 40% win rate, or isn’t played at all. |
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Nov 5, 2018 22:50:05 GMT
Does anyone (the meta at large?) actually seriously think (other than a handful of Circle players on the CID forums) that Khador is somehow OP? Like, really? The feedback from real honest to goodness players that I play against in my LGS think our Armored Korp (arguably our most powerful theme) is "in a good spot", and that CID "did what it was supposed to do" (a subject of a longer thread in the General Forum).
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Post by michael on Nov 5, 2018 23:09:07 GMT
Last I checked, the top ~20 players in the U.S. are just about always the same old names that have been around for years.
Perhaps those players are playing each other moreso than “the meta”...because JVM, Chuck, Banky, Watt, etc. are “the meta” for each other...?
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Post by hocestbellum on Nov 5, 2018 23:19:32 GMT
Yeah, I've seen that a few times. Usually specific things like Sorscha1 freezing an entire army or ARM-buffed Shocktroopers taking a Colossal to the face and surviving.
But at the end of the day it's just that we can put some really, really big numbers on the board. We've got the highest ARM on both troops and jacks. Highest P+S too. Longest ranges, I think? 20" on the jacks and 18" on troops, 14" on full units is beaten only by the Skyhammers. And so on.
That means sometimes we'll survive things nothing else can, or smash things that weren't meant to be breakable, and that's bound to get people's backs up.
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Post by michael on Nov 5, 2018 23:28:11 GMT
Yeah, I've seen that a few times. Usually specific things like Sorscha1 freezing an entire army or ARM-buffed Shocktroopers taking a Colossal to the face and surviving. But at the end of the day it's just that we can put some really, really big numbers on the board. We've got the highest ARM on both troops and jacks. Highest P+S too. Longest ranges, I think? 20" on the jacks and 18" on troops, 14" on full units is beaten only by the Skyhammers. And so on. That means sometimes we'll survive things nothing else can, or smash things that weren't meant to be breakable, and that's bound to get people's backs up. I would amend that statement to “highest base stats”, because there are a heck of a lot of buffs out there that put Khador’s final numbers to shame. |
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