We did a Menoth Podcast

Does discussion about feora and deliverers really need to occur? "they are bad" seems to cover it.

You are writing a lot of posts. You seem upset.

octaviusmaximus yes, delivers and feora a good and workable. Paradox has actually come up with some nifty feora1 dojo and has battle reports and experience to back it up. Deliverers provide long range high pow firepower to an FM list. Not only that, but they absolutely wreck medium based infantry like warmonger, gators, champions, and non Shocktrooper MoW. With the increase in medium based infantry, there is significant value to being able to toss out AOE 5's that are pow 15 (16 with Sevvy0) with just the blast damage. All at a 21" threat.

Personally I would run them with Sevvy1. Eye of menoth bumps the rockets in accuracy and pow enough to really make the AOE's threatening, and he provides good personal support to units like idrians who help screen to keep the heat off the Skyhammers.

Gaston you keep telling me that, and while I can see what you are saying I am not fully convinced that it works in a meta where chosen, ravagers, and Ossrum exist. Where the models out threat you, hit hard enough to cripple your army, killing multiple heavies, and then (with heavy infantry in particular) can spread out to deny the effectiveness of your feat.

Not saying it wont work because paradox has a tendency to make things work that shouldn't but I am just not seeing it.

Upset? No. Disappointed? Yes.
I made a string of posts because I was commenting as I listened. Just easier that way because I can do other stuff while listening, then pop in and post when I hear something I want to comment on. Otherwise, Ive been replying to posts. I dont feel thats excessive, or indicative of any emotion.

RE discussion about Feora, yes, “she’s bad” is both wrong and woefully insufficient. Make a reasoned argument, supported by discussion and analysis. Explicate your experiences. Just saying “she bad yo” does nothing, and IMO invites scorn for your position.
Same on deliverers. There was two hours of cast here, and most of it was so much hot air.

RE ravagers and deliverers, arcing fire and CRA mean you can put out a couple RAT6 (plus possble aim) POW16 shots to snipe out that shaman. Sure, Iona still can Sure Foot a unit, but out of that, youre hoping the shaman can Tough. Its not bad work for 1 turn of shooting on a 13pt unit.

Or you can... Not clump up when your opponent has deliverers because dodge isn't a rule that matters much.

Especially when you have phantasm on the unit.

You seem to be hoping your opponent makes terrible decisions that benefit your list.

Not so hard when that AOE 5 is -5 Range and can't see through forests. 

Dodge isn't a big deal for the list, it really isn't. 


This is all predicated on the idea that the Tharn list is piloted by Iona, which isn't actually a solid assumption to make. Most casters for Tharn don't actually care about Deliverers at all, like Wurmwood and Baldur 1, so I don't see them being so valuable in the matchup.