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Post by danks on Nov 6, 2018 22:35:57 GMT
Also, just wanted to point out Borka2 has more top finishes in 2018 than any other caster in trolls according to dgi.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 7, 2018 13:47:24 GMT
Also, just wanted to point out Borka2 has more top finishes in 2018 than any other caster in trolls according to dgi. Just not in POD? :P
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Post by danks on Nov 7, 2018 15:45:58 GMT
I mean, I’m not a fan of POD... but clearly it works for some people.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 7, 2018 15:48:28 GMT
Also, just wanted to point out Borka2 has more top finishes in 2018 than any other caster in trolls according to dgi. Just not in POD? Huh? aren't all of Banky's placings with Borka2 in POD?
My personal opinion is that while Borka2 is great in SotN, we have other options who play the theme better (Noticeably Kolgrima) Borka2 is probably our best PoD caster though (It's him of Grim1) so while Borka2 in SotN probably beats Borka2 in PoD, it's probably better to play him in PoD and have answers to the Grymkin matchup etc.
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Post by danks on Nov 7, 2018 17:36:48 GMT
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Borka runs SotN just as well if not better than Kolgrima. Also, again my opinion, but he’s better in SotN than pod. He has more options and better matchups overall. Tim and I are different though in that I mained Borka2 over the season and used madrak as the complement, where I believe he mained madrak and used bearka as the compliment.
Also, Borka2 SotN slams the grymkin matchup. I’d go as far as to say it’s better than 90 percent in Borka2’s favour depending on the scenario.
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Post by mazog on Nov 7, 2018 18:56:41 GMT
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Borka runs SotN just as well if not better than Kolgrima. Also, again my opinion, but he’s better in SotN than pod. He has more options and better matchups overall. Tim and I are different though in that I mained Borka2 over the season and used madrak as the complement, where I believe he mained madrak and used bearka as the compliment. Also, Borka2 SotN slams the grymkin matchup. I’d go as far as to say it’s better than 90 percent in Borka2’s favour depending on the scenario. Wow, that is quite a claim. I am not disagreeing, but I would like some more data. Do you mean the dreamer/5 heavy list, or the whole faction? I am also curious which version of Borka2 Storm you are referring to.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 7, 2018 19:27:20 GMT
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Borka runs SotN just as well if not better than Kolgrima. Also, again my opinion, but he’s better in SotN than pod. He has more options and better matchups overall. Tim and I are different though in that I mained Borka2 over the season and used madrak as the complement, where I believe he mained madrak and used bearka as the compliment. Also, Borka2 SotN slams the grymkin matchup. I’d go as far as to say it’s better than 90 percent in Borka2’s favour depending on the scenario. I should also start playing Borka 2 and Madrak 1 as a pairing for a while. I'm keenly interested in anything that reliably beats Grymkin, regardless. I wasn't sure what would or how.
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Post by danks on Nov 7, 2018 19:36:24 GMT
My (Chris Dancocks) Borka2 SotN list is the one I’m referring to. It doesn’t beat the whole faction, but it is incredibly solid into dm, which is basically the whole faction these days. Dreamer is probably the best option into it, just because she has a few additional scenario pieces with the phantasms, but I still don’t think it’s great.
It’s honestly a unique hole in the meta given that everyone takes double dm. If you want to see how I’d play the game, check out the wmw streams on twitch. I play Tseung Tsu in the quarterfinals with this exact match up.
I’ll caveat all of this by saying I did lose to Pat Dunford at the iron gauntlet, but if anyone is going to find a way out of that match it’s him.
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Post by mazog on Nov 7, 2018 20:11:00 GMT
Cool, thanks!
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Post by rad10hazard on Nov 8, 2018 7:10:34 GMT
Top 1: Kolgrima.
She’s good in nearly every situation and does the one thing Trolls need... delivering the mob to their target.
Bottom 3:
Grissel1 Grissel2
I’ve not seen them in Mkiii yet.
Madrak3
I don’t know what to make of him as yet.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 8, 2018 9:56:11 GMT
Grissel 2 is actually very strong in Mk3 and Grissel 1 would be if she had a feat.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 8, 2018 12:29:02 GMT
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Borka runs SotN just as well if not better than Kolgrima. Also, again my opinion, but he’s better in SotN than pod. He has more options and better matchups overall. Tim and I are different though in that I mained Borka2 over the season and used madrak as the complement, where I believe he mained madrak and used bearka as the compliment. Also, Borka2 SotN slams the grymkin matchup. I’d go as far as to say it’s better than 90 percent in Borka2’s favour depending on the scenario. You're totally allowed to disagree and that's part of what makes this game so good. Kolgrima is my girl.
As for Borka in theme, I definitely agree he's better in SotN than PoD but I feel it's a waste to play a double SotN pair especially unless one of the casters brings something very different.
I'm surprised at your opinion on Borka2 in SotN into Grymkin, even if you felt it was a good matchup, Better than 90%? I'd argue no matchup in the entire game is that favoured. Even a really good matchup in WmH is 60% favoured at best. I am doubtful about the claim it's a good matchup as a whole tbh, after watching two different English Grymkin players come over and storm North American CONs on their first attempt it feels like the North American Meta wasn't suitably prepared for good Grymkin players. That's pure speculation though.
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 8, 2018 20:14:25 GMT
Also in some fairness, Madrak1 and Kolgrima should have 2 more top finishes of mine which weren't posted to DGI for whatever reason. Not trying to toot my own horn just want to clear up the disparity a bit.
Also B2 is going to be overrepresented because he's one of the only SotN Warlocks who has been able to be played in champs all year.
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Post by jarrow on Nov 9, 2018 6:16:55 GMT
Really good to hear world top two Borka2 players arguments about their list and I think both are right. Dancocks SotN is same I have liked and thinks its better generalist list. Banky's PoD Borka2 on the other hand is tailored to play some matchups (especially gunlines) and better on those games and therefor might make better list pair if anti-gunline is what other list need to it's pair.
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Post by profdikweed on Nov 10, 2018 6:10:19 GMT
. If you want to see how I’d play the game, check out the wmw streams on twitch. I play Tseung Tsu in the quarterfinals with this exact match up.
Trying hard to find this stream to watch it. Anyone got a link?
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