ace
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Post by ace on Oct 16, 2018 10:15:22 GMT
I am new to Ret and building a Legion of Dawn list out of the mystery box.
Looking at the new rules for the Invictors CA they look like they can do some good work. Behind some sentinels and armour buffs and tactician floating around they should actually make it to the enemy.
I have not heard anyone talk about them. Anyone using them?
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 16, 2018 12:00:20 GMT
The main issue with Invictors is the point cost. They are solid and can do work, but they are a jack of all and a master of none. I own a full unit with CA, but they often don't make the cut because I can get what I'm looking for from another unit.
With the Ghyrrshyld makeover however, they will be making my lists more....until the release of the Dawnguard Trident....
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Post by onijet01 on Oct 16, 2018 12:11:38 GMT
Take a unit with Vyros 2 or Gorshade 4 you wont disappoint.
Vyros 2, they bring a controled range element to his list. Though you will have shooting from heavy warjacks most lights are going to lack a range weapon. In this vein they bring...
Base Rat 6 (7 from Vyros2 vetrin leader)
Base Range 10 (14 under mini-feat)
Base pow 12 gun platform.
With both Reposition 3 and CRA they get better damage output and can run and gun if needed. And combined arms push them into broken range.
Not aiming base 2 man cra (no other buffs) they are a rat 8 rng 10 pow 14 gun rerolling attack rolls.
With max buffs (one turn all active at a 2man cra) they are a rat11 (aim, cra, vyros) rng 14 (minifeat), pow 14 gun rerolling attacks. But their gun can escalate to pow 22 max at an 11man cra.
Gorshade 4 has a different combo. With dauntless resolve and the lys healer you can have a wall to wall gunline sitting at arm 20 tough no knockdown shooting unit with p+s 11 melee backup for when you need to chaarge with ghost walk. Hell even ghost walk to disengage from a conflict and shoot
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Post by matsif on Oct 16, 2018 12:33:34 GMT
I've been using them in my LoD lists for a while because I don't own a 2nd unit of sentinels and wasn't playing LoD in tournament pairs (had a SotR list due to lots of recursion in my local meta and a DoI list I just enjoy playing a lot) so I never felt the need to get a 2nd unit of sentinels.
being able to reroll CRAs is nice. being able to threat 22" on an assault on their snipe turn is a big deal that your opponent will often overlook, they can reach pretty far on that singular turn. with repo 3" from tactician they're reasonably mobile and allow you to walk into your 10" range, CRA, and then repo back to a better position, and ARM 17 with no supporting spells or other abilities is reasonably durable against most other infantry.
imo their major issue is range when not on their snipe turn. 10" isn't a ton if you want to aim, which while you can leverage CRAs and that reposition sometimes you want that volume of fire more than less shots via CRA. and .5" melee makes your 8.5" melee threat range on the melee part of assaults kinda wonky without other speed buffs, you're generally not going to be in a position where you're close enough to do the full assault and haven't gotten jammed already. they also need a lot of support to be truly durable, support that you're likely giving to sentinels to get them across the board unless you run double artificers to drop force barrier on them. without the range to play keep-away and without the support upkeeps for armor skew or some additional defense, even at ARM 17 they are still vulnerable to things like lightning leaps and AOEs and things like being on fire.
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Post by forthehorde on Oct 16, 2018 22:09:28 GMT
I actually like my invictors. Like someone else said your opponent won't generally expect their range. 19" cras re rolled can be pretty awesome for removing ca's and solos.
I generaly don't try to get them into melee though. The sentinels are far superior for any melee battling or scenerio holding you want to do.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 17, 2018 2:00:28 GMT
I actually like my invictors. Like someone else said your opponent won't generally expect their range. 19" cras re rolled can be pretty awesome for removing ca's and solos. I generaly don't try to get them into melee though. The sentinels are far superior for any melee battling or scenerio holding you want to do. I feel like its not about trying to get them in melee, its about being unpleasantly surprised that they're way more competent at it than most ranged units. |
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ace
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Post by ace on Oct 18, 2018 5:56:18 GMT
Thanks for the great feed back. Currently I have only Helynna and Issyria. But slowly I will expand my caster lineup and look at Goreshade next I think.
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