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Post by vasquez21 on Oct 12, 2018 10:14:10 GMT
Hello guys,
Here is the list which I tried few times, with some modifications, but core is the same.
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b539Dc6jp0h0jjq4kfJ6R0kTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Doomshaper 2) Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Mountain King [36] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
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That list is rather straightforward, you want to get Alpha, and do as much damage as possible.
The problem is that I am probably doing something wrong 
I have found out that most of the time, I have to sacrifice MK to get some things going... The problem is that even with Doomy feat, you will not be able to send all your guys into the enemy. Most of the time it will be like:
I can get one-two guys into enemy (and most of the time this are not so important models) or go into their threat and hope to survive initial attack, and then get counter with all your guys.
Another problem is defensive stats of Doomy, you have to be very careful with him.
You guys have any sugestions how to improve this list? I would like to squish Earthborne somehow, but I also don't want to drop MK 
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 12, 2018 11:12:55 GMT
I very much like Brawlers with him. Overtake is great and they are just cheap enough that my soul doesn't die when I lose one. They do like a hit buff when one is available, but don't "need" it per se'. Pretty sure you get 2 +points for that MK if you're plan is a super alpha.
also, min stone with no elder?
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Post by mydnight on Oct 12, 2018 11:29:56 GMT
Super alpha = sea king and brawlers
Sea king threshers are good for clearing the board too given that doomie2's lists main weakness if getting jammed.
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Post by vasquez21 on Oct 12, 2018 11:41:42 GMT
Ohhh I never used Sea King yet, so maybe that's good idea.
Also, can you cast Animus from Hoarluk through Rite of Power (Mulg?)? If yes, then Sea King looks even better.
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Post by vasquez21 on Oct 12, 2018 12:41:14 GMT
I will try this list next time: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b539DjpiW0hjq4kfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Sea King [36] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [4] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2] I know that the list it's missing brawler, but to be honest I don't see who I can drop... Axer is must Mauler +3 str is amazing Mulg is so powerfull under Hoarluk that it's hard to not take him I needed 1 point for Sea King, so I have dropped Bouncer and free points I have used on bigger Krielstone and Swamp Gobbers (they are great for scoring). I also thought about list without Krielstone... |
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Doomy 2
Oct 12, 2018 13:17:13 GMT
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Post by Trollock on Oct 12, 2018 13:17:13 GMT
Super alpha = sea king and brawlers Sea king threshers are good for clearing the board too given that doomie2's lists main weakness if getting jammed. The sea king does not have thresher... If you meab the sweep power attack, that is a super common question in the rules forum, and no, you do not get to use the 4" reach for sweep. I know it seems like that at a glance and the rules are poorly worded, but it has been clarified many many times. Thus the MK is as good at sweeping as the sea king. Back to the original list, i think that multiple heavies will serve better than a king, but to each his own i guess. |
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Post by mydnight on Oct 12, 2018 14:20:04 GMT
The sea king does not have thresher... If you meab the sweep power attack, that is a super common question in the rules forum, and no, you do not get to use the 4" reach for sweep. I know it seems like that at a glance and the rules are poorly worded, but it has been clarified many many times. Thus the MK is as good at sweeping as the sea king. Back to the original list, i think that multiple heavies will serve better than a king, but to each his own i guess. Oops, been playing that wrong. Sea king value greatly lower now (Was it any different in MKII?) Would play doomie 2 without a garg if I don't get my 4" sweeps. |
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Doomy 2
Oct 12, 2018 17:45:19 GMT
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Post by Trollock on Oct 12, 2018 17:45:19 GMT
The sea king does not have thresher... If you meab the sweep power attack, that is a super common question in the rules forum, and no, you do not get to use the 4" reach for sweep. I know it seems like that at a glance and the rules are poorly worded, but it has been clarified many many times. Thus the MK is as good at sweeping as the sea king. Back to the original list, i think that multiple heavies will serve better than a king, but to each his own i guess. Oops, been playing that wrong. Sea king value greatly lower now (Was it any different in MKII?) Would play doomie 2 without a garg if I don't get my 4" sweeps. Nope, no 4" thresher back in mk2 either (for the kraken). It was a very common misconception though  |
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 12, 2018 19:05:53 GMT
Sure would put him on the table though........
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Post by mydnight on Oct 12, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
The new skorne battle engine has 3" thresher signs and portents  |
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 13, 2018 4:23:10 GMT
I do not like the kings with Doomy 2. Doomy 3, definitely, but not Doomy 2. He can't cast their animi for free and they can't Overtake. They do benefit from his feat, but the option to spread out will get more mileage out of it more often. And he can't piece trade as it is- a king only makes that worse. IMO gdnerd has pretty much solved list building with Doomy 2: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b539D9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0l0mTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] I'm still not sure how to top that. In particular, the backup Mauler actually helps a lot. You'll find that really frees your hand in using the first one. If you just want to rely a little less on Rage and don't mind the minimum Krielstone, though, this might be worth a look: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b53jn9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0k0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia [Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2] |
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Doomy 2
Oct 13, 2018 13:37:43 GMT
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Post by moridamn on Oct 13, 2018 13:37:43 GMT
I pretty much run gnerds list, except I traded one of the EBDTs for 2 bashers.
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Post by gdnerd on Oct 15, 2018 9:20:31 GMT
I would call that list far from solved, particularly in the current meta. When I first took that list to LVO it was built to crush Harkevich WGK (when it was still a jack spam list) Wurmwood, Vyros2 Forges and Storm Division / Heavy Metal. It later had a place against Grymkin and early Skorne builds before Winds caught on but if you look at the lists I just mentioned most of those don't exist anymore. This sucks into Maelok, Armored Corps, SotN, and Primal Terrors. All of those trade up on this super hard. Also you have a real hard time into Gaspy3 if you don't go first.
The entire point of this list was to take 5 heavies and ensure an alpha strike into a similar number of heavy targets, kill ~half of their heavies and walk them down from there. There is 0 way you can tear through Chosen, MoWs Champs or Gators in a similar manner.
Not saying that this list can't be played locally to decent success but it's days of placing in major events is over. It has no common slam dunk matchups and a ton of weaknesses. Tim Banky's PoD Borka2 is much better in the current meta lists across the board. Kolgrima PoD has better coverage too. There would have to be some real novel tech or a massive meta shift to bring doom2 back.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 15, 2018 9:47:06 GMT
gdnerd I did not mean to say that it was strong in the current meta. Doomy 2 has been thoroughly chased out of the meta, like you said. I meant that I don't see how to build a better list with him when he is viable.
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Post by gdnerd on Oct 16, 2018 0:32:41 GMT
Yeah I guess my point was that if there is a list that works today it looks nothing like what I ran back in 2017. I wrote this rant in the middle of the night while sleep deprived so apologies if it seems a bit disjointed lol.
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