Miafan
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Post by Miafan on Dec 13, 2018 7:27:19 GMT
Apologies for the offtopic, but making a new thread for that would be lame.
Is MK good for anything these days? I've been out of the loop for a very long time, but I thought that after MK 3 he was declared a useless piece.
I'd like to know because I need to decide if to paint him soon or throw him back into the chest.
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psyllus
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Post by psyllus on Dec 13, 2018 7:40:49 GMT
Apologies for the offtopic, but making a new thread for that would be lame. Is MK good for anything these days? I've been out of the loop for a very long time, but I thought that after MK 3 he was declared a useless piece. I'd like to know because I need to decide if to paint him soon or throw him back into the chest. He had the problem of being a Character beast not allowed in any Themes.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Dec 13, 2018 7:45:06 GMT
Apologies for the offtopic, but making a new thread for that would be lame. Is MK good for anything these days? I've been out of the loop for a very long time, but I thought that after MK 3 he was declared a useless piece. I'd like to know because I need to decide if to paint him soon or throw him back into the chest. I think some people think he's a little over costed but ive almost always felt he's pulled his own weight for me. He's a solid piece that takes most of our buffs very well. Any speed buff past rush pits him at the upper end of threat ranges in the game. It's not to hard to get him up to a pow 18 WM in this faction. He's 15/20 vs shooting with the krea. I'm honestly not sure why so many people ate down on him. Sure I'd love him for 16 points but he feels fine at 19. I could see maybe 18 but not any lower. Yeah he only gets side step with Makeda now but that can't be enough to make him unplayable. Adding him to Warhoast has me interested for what he can do with other casters. Defenders ward and lurch makes x1 an interesting candidate. Looking at hexy 2 as well for ashen Vale and black spot. probably wouldn't mind a mat 9 ps 16 WM counter charge under zaadesh2 as well. But yeah, maybe he could drop a point but he definitely shouldn't cost much less then tibbers.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Dec 13, 2018 13:16:17 GMT
Agonizers count as Titans. Unlimited minion solos and Chiron in DoA Marketh and free solos now in IWh Ancestral Guardians in MoW Void Spirits for all themes with Mordikaar Ranged beasts allowed in MoW Molik Karn in IWh SG in MoW counts for free points MoW can take small or medium based solos for free Sentinel gains recoil, Solider gains Swarm, both gain Snacking I have the strangest, most surprised awkward boner right now! Where can I find/read/listen to this? I heard this all second hand from a friend who listened to it
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 13, 2018 17:19:24 GMT
Agonizers count as Titans. Unlimited minion solos and Chiron in DoA Marketh and free solos now in IWh Ancestral Guardians in MoW Void Spirits for all themes with Mordikaar Ranged beasts allowed in MoW Molik Karn in IWh SG in MoW counts for free points MoW can take small or medium based solos for free Sentinel gains recoil, Solider gains Swarm, both gain Snacking I have the strangest, most surprised awkward boner right now! Where can I find/read/listen to this? One of the Privateer Press' Developer Hangout on Twitch for 12/12/2018. There are 3, and I don't know which one.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Dec 13, 2018 18:26:01 GMT
Apologies for the offtopic, but making a new thread for that would be lame. Is MK good for anything these days? I've been out of the loop for a very long time, but I thought that after MK 3 he was declared a useless piece. I'd like to know because I need to decide if to paint him soon or throw him back into the chest. MK is great. He has always been great. Over costed, maybe, but much like Tibbers there ain't no one like him so you get what you pay for. His stat line makes him vulnerable to shooting, but a Krea can often solve that problem
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granor
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Post by granor on Dec 14, 2018 16:37:20 GMT
Apologies for the offtopic, but making a new thread for that would be lame. Is MK good for anything these days? I've been out of the loop for a very long time, but I thought that after MK 3 he was declared a useless piece. I'd like to know because I need to decide if to paint him soon or throw him back into the chest. MK is great. He has always been great. Over costed, maybe, but much like Tibbers there ain't no one like him so you get what you pay for. His stat line makes him vulnerable to shooting, but a Krea can often solve that problem The big question, is MK good without sidestep.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Dec 14, 2018 16:53:45 GMT
MK is great. He has always been great. Over costed, maybe, but much like Tibbers there ain't no one like him so you get what you pay for. His stat line makes him vulnerable to shooting, but a Krea can often solve that problem The big question, is MK good without sidestep. Absolutely. He costs only 1 more than a BB. Hits about as hard per blow, and has Future Sight to help make up for the lower fury stat and less initials. +3" on threat range and higher combined defensive stat line, plus Intuition and a more useful Animus. He's great. He won't always be worth it in every list, but he's a very unique package for Skorne compared to other options and he is very strong in that role. Side-step adds even more depth to it but I don't think it is required for him to fulfill his purpose.
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granor
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Post by granor on Dec 14, 2018 17:15:19 GMT
The big question, is MK good without sidestep. Absolutely. He costs only 1 more than a BB. Hits about as hard per blow, and has Future Sight to help make up for the lower fury stat and less initials. +3" on threat range and higher combined defensive stat line, plus Intuition and a more useful Animus. He's great. He won't always be worth it in every list, but he's a very unique package for Skorne compared to other options and he is very strong in that role. Side-step adds even more depth to it but I don't think it is required for him to fulfill his purpose. Well something isn't connecting because as far as I can tell no one is running him. In addition with the CID the BB is 2 points cheaper now, gained health, has beat-back and hyper-aggressive base now, and has a new animus giving you unyielding so skorne now has a blessed immune arm buff, as well as a more useful leadership as the aggy will now count as a titian if all spoilers are to be trusted.
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Post by bloodsplatterartist on Dec 14, 2018 19:13:01 GMT
Absolutely. He costs only 1 more than a BB. Hits about as hard per blow, and has Future Sight to help make up for the lower fury stat and less initials. +3" on threat range and higher combined defensive stat line, plus Intuition and a more useful Animus. He's great. He won't always be worth it in every list, but he's a very unique package for Skorne compared to other options and he is very strong in that role. Side-step adds even more depth to it but I don't think it is required for him to fulfill his purpose. Well something isn't connecting because as far as I can tell no one is running him. In addition with the CID the BB is 2 points cheaper now, gained health, has beat-back and hyper-aggressive base now, and has a new animus giving you unyielding so skorne now has a blessed immune arm buff, as well as a more useful leadership as the aggy will now count as a titian if all spoilers are to be trusted. I run him in pretty much every Makeda list I make. Now that other casters can take him in theme I'm looking at running him with Xerxis2 Zaadesh2 and Jalaam for sure. With xerxis I want to stick rapport on him and let him charge all over the map at mat 8. PS 16 WM defensive strikes and counter charges seem pretty dang good and he's a great target for inviable resolve. With Jalaam he'll threat a million miles with warpath and be infuriating to try and hut on your feat turn. I think if he dropped a point to 18 he'd be Rock solid. As is he's still pretty good.
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granor
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Post by granor on Dec 14, 2018 19:54:12 GMT
Well I would be really interested in how your games go. If you ever write up any reports please point me to them.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Dec 15, 2018 5:44:23 GMT
Absolutely. He costs only 1 more than a BB. Hits about as hard per blow, and has Future Sight to help make up for the lower fury stat and less initials. +3" on threat range and higher combined defensive stat line, plus Intuition and a more useful Animus. He's great. He won't always be worth it in every list, but he's a very unique package for Skorne compared to other options and he is very strong in that role. Side-step adds even more depth to it but I don't think it is required for him to fulfill his purpose. Well something isn't connecting because as far as I can tell no one is running him. In addition with the CID the BB is 2 points cheaper now, gained health, has beat-back and hyper-aggressive base now, and has a new animus giving you unyielding so skorne now has a blessed immune arm buff, as well as a more useful leadership as the aggy will now count as a titian if all spoilers are to be trusted. I think it's because he is basically only available when running Makeda, but since she is obviously an infantry caster and we have so many beasts that we can use to support infantry... But when he becomes available in IWH for other casters I think he will be seen more often. He brings such a "not-Skorne" element that anyone who techs for our normal set of beasts won't be teching for him.
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