Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 2, 2018 2:30:24 GMT
So POD has fallen out of favor because of a lack of fighting units, right? And I imagine, by extension, a lower volume of attacks to deal with opposing units. I think that's actually the bigger problem because POD can score circle zones just fine with only a little tweaking of list building.
I wonder if something like this might be able to sneak by if people don't bring enough armor cracking. Admittedly, this particular list is more of a thought experiment than something that I really expect to be strong, but it's interesting anyway. FWIW, Runeshapers are ARM 17 in Protective Aura and with Ragnor's feat that could be useful.
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bfL9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0l0m6n6n
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Ragnor 1] Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster [+30]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Trollkin Runeshapers [9]
Trollkin Runeshapers [9]
More conventionally, I wonder why we don't see more Swamp Gobbers in POD. They are only 2 points and often slot in easily. They can place a cloud to cover your caster or Mauler or score a circle zone pretty easily once you've cleared it. I used them when I personalized Tim Banky's Borka 2 list:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0biV9DiRjpjoiU0hjq7d6R0l0m2N
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Borka 2] Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Pyre Troll [8]
- Rok [19]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2]
And for something slightly weirder, a variant on gdnerd Doomy 2 list:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b53jn9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0k0m2N
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27]
- Dire Troll Brawler [16]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2]
Note though that Ragnor could run that list without minimizing the stone, but I do wonder if Doomy could get away with this, with decisive feat turns and maybe using the gobbers to cover what the stone doesn't.
Then there are the Bog Trog Ambushers, as discussed more thoroughly in the other thread, and we've discussed Farrow Brigands. POD doesn't really need Valkyries, but they are not too shabby for the points. How about Boomhowlers or Nyss? Anything else? I have seen Lynus & Edrea used in POD.
I suppose that the Dhunian Knot could be placed on the back edge of a circle to score it. They are easier to use with ranged attack lists anyway.
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b020resc60hjq2Q7d6Rfp0l0m
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28]
- Dire Troll Bomber [19]
- Dozer & Smigg [18]
- Mountain King [36]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Feralgeist [2]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Dhunian Knot [6]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Two notes to wrap up- 1) I'm not saying that any of these lists are actually any good, just that they illustrate ideas, and 2) the KSB is still a unit. That isn't of much help in Standoff or Invasion, but maybe it's not actually so bad in The Pit or Spread the Net, especially when it's hard to score those central circles in the first half of the game anyway. Ironically, Mirage might not be a bigger problem for POD than Band or KC. The whole KSB unit can sit in your own zone quite comfortably and Whelps can score the flags.
I wonder if something like this might be able to sneak by if people don't bring enough armor cracking. Admittedly, this particular list is more of a thought experiment than something that I really expect to be strong, but it's interesting anyway. FWIW, Runeshapers are ARM 17 in Protective Aura and with Ragnor's feat that could be useful.
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bfL9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0l0m6n6n
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Ragnor 1] Ragnor Skysplitter, the Runemaster [+30]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Trollkin Runeshapers [9]
Trollkin Runeshapers [9]
More conventionally, I wonder why we don't see more Swamp Gobbers in POD. They are only 2 points and often slot in easily. They can place a cloud to cover your caster or Mauler or score a circle zone pretty easily once you've cleared it. I used them when I personalized Tim Banky's Borka 2 list:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0biV9DiRjpjoiU0hjq7d6R0l0m2N
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Borka 2] Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws [+27]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Pyre Troll [8]
- Rok [19]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2]
And for something slightly weirder, a variant on gdnerd Doomy 2 list:
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b53jn9DiRiRjp0hjq7d6R0k0m2N
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Doomshaper 2] Hoarluk Doomshaper, Rage of Dhunia [+27]
- Dire Troll Brawler [16]
- Dire Troll Mauler [15]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Earthborn Dire Troll [14]
- Mulg the Ancient [22]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2]
Note though that Ragnor could run that list without minimizing the stone, but I do wonder if Doomy could get away with this, with decisive feat turns and maybe using the gobbers to cover what the stone doesn't.
Then there are the Bog Trog Ambushers, as discussed more thoroughly in the other thread, and we've discussed Farrow Brigands. POD doesn't really need Valkyries, but they are not too shabby for the points. How about Boomhowlers or Nyss? Anything else? I have seen Lynus & Edrea used in POD.
I suppose that the Dhunian Knot could be placed on the back edge of a circle to score it. They are easier to use with ranged attack lists anyway.
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b020resc60hjq2Q7d6Rfp0l0m
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Power of Dhunia
[Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28]
- Dire Troll Bomber [19]
- Dozer & Smigg [18]
- Mountain King [36]
- Troll Axer [10]
- Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)]
Feralgeist [2]
Janissa Stonetide [0(4)]
Troll Whelps [0(4)]
Dhunian Knot [6]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Two notes to wrap up- 1) I'm not saying that any of these lists are actually any good, just that they illustrate ideas, and 2) the KSB is still a unit. That isn't of much help in Standoff or Invasion, but maybe it's not actually so bad in The Pit or Spread the Net, especially when it's hard to score those central circles in the first half of the game anyway. Ironically, Mirage might not be a bigger problem for POD than Band or KC. The whole KSB unit can sit in your own zone quite comfortably and Whelps can score the flags.