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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 30, 2017 19:29:18 GMT
Do spells still targeting model/unit consider wb packs as individual models like it did in MK2?
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unded
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Post by unded on Apr 30, 2017 20:21:00 GMT
I've just finished a tourney (will post up batreps tomorrow), but I'll chime in to say I've had great results from throwing a unit of blight wasps into Fyanna Oracles. Apparition is amazing on them, and their damage output with Fury is unbelievable. Their highlights from this weekend was taking an unhurt storm clad down to 1 life, one-rounding Molik without spending any FURY (they crit him twice), and assassinating Makeda -und_ed They reach what, POW14 with all the buffs? Base 8 +3 from fury +3 from Hunting Pack? Exactly. What you're missing is they're MAT 8, and that's 6 boosted POW 14 attacks you're dishing out from your 8-point unit. If you're hitting something living you should crit once as well, just for sh1ts and giggles. Roll it out a couple of times. I promise you'll never look back. -und_ed
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 30, 2017 20:35:41 GMT
They reach what, POW14 with all the buffs? Base 8 +3 from fury +3 from Hunting Pack? Exactly. What you're missing is they're MAT 8, and that's 6 boosted POW 14 attacks you're dishing out from your 8-point unit. If you're hitting something living you should crit once as well, just for sh1ts and giggles. Roll it out a couple of times. I promise you'll never look back. -und_ed aren't warbeast packs considered individual models for spell targets? If so you would only be FURY in one wasp at atime
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Post by neutralyze on Apr 30, 2017 21:01:16 GMT
Exactly. What you're missing is they're MAT 8, and that's 6 boosted POW 14 attacks you're dishing out from your 8-point unit. If you're hitting something living you should crit once as well, just for sh1ts and giggles. Roll it out a couple of times. I promise you'll never look back. -und_ed aren't warbeast packs considered individual models for spell targets? If so you would only be FURY in one wasp at atime Warbeast packs are unit for spell purposes. Spell like forced evolution target a model of the warbeast pack. Fury would be applied to all members of the warbeast pack.
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Post by heckler on May 7, 2017 8:17:04 GMT
I played the lylith3 list into skorne several days ago and it worked out wonderfully.
his army was: Zadesh Tibbers Chiron Ark Soldier Agonizer beast handlers paingiver master tormentor full cetrati with UA another solo that I can't think of
My 2nd turn saw lylith kill off 3 beast handlers with the help of far strike, and the bolt thrower push chiron backwards a bit and knock him down.
He put the armor buff on the cetrati, basically making them unkillable for me. On my feat turn, I put a shot into most of them, between lylith and the seraph to stop them in their tracks. I was able to align a spray into tibbers and chiron in order to stationary them, then charged tibbers with 2 angelius to kill him off and do a little to chiron. shot agonizer down to 1 hp and flared with seraph but rolled a double 1 on my spray to hit him and finish him off.
His next turn was the feat turn and saw the agonizer engage both angels so that zadesh could flashing blade them to death himself (with the help of 1 attack from chiron). the cetrati moved up and did some damage to the seraph who was finished off by the soldier.
On my following turn, the bolt thrower shot chiron out of sac pawn range so lylith could soften up zadesh. an angelius charged him and survived the pow12 to finish him off.
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Post by copperflame on May 9, 2017 13:29:58 GMT
They reach what, POW14 with all the buffs? Base 8 +3 from fury +3 from Hunting Pack? Exactly. What you're missing is they're MAT 8, and that's 6 boosted POW 14 attacks you're dishing out from your 8-point unit. If you're hitting something living you should crit once as well, just for sh1ts and giggles. Roll it out a couple of times. I promise you'll never look back. -und_ed
I have never tried Wasps... but I don't have the neraphs to do JVM's list so the sheer difference of this has me intrigued.
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Post by redbaron89 on May 10, 2017 4:06:55 GMT
Not really understanding why the 3 neraph, 2 angelius, seraph, bloodseer, naga fyanna2 build in oracles is superior to fyanna 2 dudespam. I know there is alot of anti infantry tech out there (blasts, sprays, electro leaps, killing spree, etc) but with sr2017 moving more towards dudespam and including solos to score its a hard for me to justify. I just got my blood seer so im gonna try it out before i pass final judgement. Thoughts about oracles beast vs dudespam?
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 10, 2017 5:36:13 GMT
Not really understanding why the 3 neraph, 2 angelius, seraph, bloodseer, naga fyanna2 build in oracles is superior to fyanna 2 dudespam. I know there is alot of anti infantry tech out there (blasts, sprays, electro leaps, killing spree, etc) but with sr2017 moving more towards dudespam and including solos to score its a hard for me to justify. I just got my blood seer so im gonna try it out before i pass final judgement. Thoughts about oracles beast vs dudespam? watch the Youtube vids of JVM winning with the list and you'll see it in action....of course there is the to each their own factor.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on May 10, 2017 5:53:24 GMT
I think dudespam has worse match ups between anti-infantry tech and the fact that dudes can't shake effects and aren't Serpentine.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 10, 2017 6:26:55 GMT
Anti infantry is the reason you have more than one list.....but it's always a gamble... most people expect a legion player to drop their heavy beast list into matchups and the actual dropping of a heavy infantry list will keep them on their toes...and a person on there toes is easily knocked on their buttocks.
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Post by unded on May 10, 2017 8:51:43 GMT
Exactly. What you're missing is they're MAT 8, and that's 6 boosted POW 14 attacks you're dishing out from your 8-point unit. If you're hitting something living you should crit once as well, just for sh1ts and giggles. Roll it out a couple of times. I promise you'll never look back. -und_ed
I have never tried Wasps... but I don't have the neraphs to do JVM's list so the sheer difference of this has me intrigued.
The list treated me really well. I absolutely love wasps in Oracles (played them in a Thaggy2 list as well) since apparition helps so much in their delivery problems, and the sheer damage output of the wasps with Fyanna is breathtaking to behold. Consider this: an unharmed wasp unit under Fury is attacking with 4 charge attacks, followed by buying another 2 and boosting those damage rolls. They're POW 8, +3 for the pseudo-gang, +3 for FURY, and MAT 8. So that's 6 attacks at MAT 8, POW 14, all boosted damage rolls. Against a living target, you should get one crit as well for a fourth damage die. In my last event, I got lucky with 2 crits and one-rounded a full-life Molik Karn without spending a single point of FURY. In a later game they one-rounded an unhurt stormclad (feat and apparition let me place 3 of them in the rear, ignoring his buckler). I cannot stress enough how big apparition is for these little guys. Being able to hide behind a forest / building on the approach, then apparition out and charge completely redefines their use on the batlefield. Being DEF 16 on Fyanna's feat turn is also pretty sweet, since nobody wants to throw a focus into hitting a 2-point blight wasp. -und_ed
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