eauc
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Post by eauc on Oct 18, 2018 14:36:00 GMT
I wish they were only 70pts
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Oct 18, 2018 14:39:04 GMT
I wouldnt call it a trauma, but i have yet to figure out a list, that can handle kallus pt, isnt kallus pt, and does make any sence in a pairing. Any (double) angelius list?
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Post by snotling on Oct 18, 2018 18:28:33 GMT
I wouldnt call it a trauma, but i have yet to figure out a list, that can handle kallus pt, isnt kallus pt, and does make any sence in a pairing. Any (double) angelius list? what? can you explain what angelii do vs any of the things in the list? kill a single chosen? a couple rotwings?
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eauc
Junior Strategist
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Post by eauc on Oct 18, 2018 19:16:29 GMT
Play Kallus2 and show that it evolved for the best, by caster-killing the prime
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Oct 19, 2018 8:31:05 GMT
Any (double) angelius list? what? can you explain what angelii do vs any of the things in the list? kill a single chosen? a couple rotwings? Push the filth away and create landing spots for your assassination or BB kill was what I was thinking.
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 19, 2018 8:42:04 GMT
to get to kallus or the bb they would propably need to fly over a bunch of birds and chosen. i think the risk these freestrikes pose is too high for this to be a viable plan. not to say you wont make it work sons time. i lost my bb to una2 last weekend, when 2 birds found landing spots during my feat. which i thought wouldnt be possible. so bad placement on my part. on the other hand they where immun to freestrikes. also i still won attrition afterwards (and then got assasinated two turns later because i got careless)
i think the thing with neat tricks like pulls and stuff vs kallus ist that the list mist of the time doesnt care. it just wins on attrition and szenario without realy engaging in aktuall gameplay. just make attack rolls till you won
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 21, 2018 19:56:04 GMT
so i was able to get more games in today, kallsu1 vs lyl1 in the mentioned list. i still thinks it requires much more work from the lyl player, the hardest part is not losing to scenario.
i played lyl1 both games
game1 i get first turn and advance as much as i can without getting in charge range from tentacles he feats bottom of one and jams me good i dont feat and kill the bb instead, got some attacks to spare, kill maybe 2 chosen and some birds, ice witches are mvp here he keeps running to engage and kills my objective, its 0:3 i kill more chosen, and most of the birds, i might attrition from here on out but it dont make a comeback in scenario he wins on his turn, 6:1 i think
game2 this time he goes first, he advanced cautious to not get shot by raptors i advance just a bit, make some meaningless shots into hellmouths, not much else he runs up, jams and feats this time i dont go for the bb, because i think if i can use parasite and feat to clean one side of the board i can use the house in the midle to be safe from the other half of his army this works pretty well, 5chosen and most of the birds are dead, i contest all scenario points but dont score since there are models contesting left he cant do much on his turn but manages to score 3 again (clears objective and 2 szones) 0:3 on my turn zuriel frenzies, i contest score, keep ignoring the bb and kill as much chosen as i can, 2:3 from here atrition works well and i keep not losing on scenario, this goes on till turn 7 were some bad rolls keep me from killing the bb and a contesting models i think i would have won if it werent for snake eyes on two critical rolls (that literally needed 3s to hit, ah well) i lose to scenario again
but all in all i think the list has more game than i initially thought, need more practise. also the list can propably be tweakt to be even better for this matchup, hopefully i can use clogcon next weekend to get more tests
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Post by systemdown on Oct 22, 2018 14:10:11 GMT
Has anyone tried ravagores into the K1 matchup? I don't have anyone local to practice the mirror matchup, but scathers seem to really counter Kallus' feat.
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Post by voidbender on Oct 22, 2018 18:12:29 GMT
Has anyone tried ravagores into the K1 matchup? I don't have anyone local to practice the mirror matchup, but scathers seem to really counter Kallus' feat. In my experience with ravagores into other infantry lists, 1 or 2 scathers is a minor inconvenience for my opponent. I suspect for this to really work you'd want 2+ ravagores with Lylyth2 and maybe even a scather crew or 2. I have not actually tried it into Kallus though.
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Post by systemdown on Oct 23, 2018 9:26:28 GMT
I was more thinking that any Incubi that are spawned within the scather immediately take a point of damage and so get removed.
[Edit] And I was mulling over Lylyth2, 2x Ravagore and Blight Bringer (for no tough) as a possible way to go.
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Post by jojobrunnix on Oct 23, 2018 10:13:25 GMT
i think ravas are in bad themes to be included in a kallus counter. maybe one could make a double rava double throne list working in oracles. maybe under vayl1 since kallus most like inst going to assasinate her. mhhh
personally i keep tinkering with lyl1 builds in ravens or children. the last two games realy motivated me to make her work
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Post by onijet01 on Oct 24, 2018 9:07:42 GMT
Not a lillyraptor list but i just like fast infantry spam with some quality of life models. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0laAbvcOaMaMfxfxcococobdbdfvfvbibifTfTb3b4Legion Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Ravens of War [Lylyth 1] Lylyth, Herald of Everblight [+30] - Naga Nightlurker [8] - Nephilim Bloodseer [8] - Raek [8] - Raek [8] Grotesque Assassin [0(4)] Grotesque Assassin [0(4)] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Strider Deathstalker [0(4)] Strider Deathstalker [4] Grotesque Banshees (min) [8] Grotesque Banshees (min) [8] Grotesque Raiders (max) [12] Grotesque Raiders (max) [12] Hellmouth [6] Hellmouth [6] Strider Scouts [9] - Strider Scout Officer & Musician [4] Yah has no real armor cracking but i still like playong with it
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