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Post by gobber on Sept 21, 2018 18:55:05 GMT
Croak lesser warlock coming at warmachine weekend. The forge your company of iron winner got upgraded into this new model (as opposed to just being an alternate croak hunter sculpt as initially promised). "Will bring fun utility beyond minions." "Doesn't have the normal spear a croak hunter has; he's more like a croak shaman" "he's a fat frog" Source: Today's primecast at around 58 minutes. Also Seacat pronounces it far-row not fair-row. Weird. Here's the contest winner that serves as the inspiration.  Really excited at the possibility of running Sturmodiles without the clunky wrongeye attachments. |
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Post by Azahul on Sept 21, 2018 20:11:39 GMT
Oooooh, that is very cool. The first Minion junior without an attached Warbeast.
Accessing Elasticity or Rage a bit more cheaply when playing pig Warlocks is also exciting, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on the Dracodile combo now that it doesn't require quite so much investment. Hopefully the "fun utility" brings something of real value to the table too.
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Post by ankiseth on Sept 22, 2018 18:23:52 GMT
Awesome news!
Where is Primecast these days? The Podcast feed has totally dried up.
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Post by boozy on Sept 22, 2018 22:56:30 GMT
Trying to think of where is the value in a new lesser warlock.
On the Hordes side, you want warbeasts on your warlock, so it's not useful much outside of Minions. I can see maybe a niche where a pigs warlock wants access to Rage or Elasticity without Snap Jaw, or possibly the Dracodile, but that's it.
Outside of Minions, the other Hordes factions can't benefit from the FF animus, so I imagine it's likely just get the Dracodile. Warmachine side has the same dynamic, save having a Focus-independent 'heavy makes more sense. The Merc's might get benefit of a FF spell from the warlock, if it has one. Aside from that, I don't see a wide market for the model.
What am I missing?
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Post by custardboy on Sept 22, 2018 23:48:53 GMT
Maybe if he brings a debuff or some such? I'm interested, it'd be great to get a wrastler as an option instead of having to take a battle boar. Hopefully he has a little bit of durability...
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Post by gobber on Sept 23, 2018 5:04:16 GMT
We still have no idea what the "fun utility" is; that was specifically the part that was described as being useful outside of minions. This might be what's needed for midas to actually want to use boneswarms. 16pts+a free solo feels so much better than 33 army points in order to get rage in the list. Really hoping boneswarm spam+Mire & wrastler+double crocpots is viable. ankiseth primecasts are always on PP's facebook; they usually show up on youtube eventually as well though this one hasn't yet. |
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Post by chewie on Sept 23, 2018 19:03:47 GMT
Awesome news! Where is Primecast these days? The Podcast feed has totally dried up. You can find them on Facebook I believe, like gobber said, and they stream them live here (also has recorded videos): www.twitch.tv/privateerpress |
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2018 1:53:13 GMT
We still have no idea what the "fun utility" is; that was specifically the part that was described as being useful outside of minions. This might be what's needed for midas to actually want to use boneswarms. 16pts+a free solo feels so much better than 33 army points in order to get rage in the list. Really hoping boneswarm spam+Mire & wrastler+double crocpots is viable. ankiseth primecasts are always on PP's facebook; they usually show up on youtube eventually as well though this one hasn't yet. It’s a darn shame you can’t primal boneswarms. Kind of interested in his non minions utility. I’m already thinking what minion warbeasts would be cute in circle. Dracodiles for Everyone! |
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Post by Azahul on Sept 26, 2018 10:11:46 GMT
It’s a darn shame you can’t primal boneswarms. Kind of interested in his non minions utility. I’m already thinking what minion warbeasts would be cute in circle. Dracodiles for Everyone! Yeah, particularly seeing as he likely won't be available as a free solo option in WWFF, it'll be very interesting to see what he offers beyond just cheaper access to Gator beasts. I've been wracking my brains trying to imagine what he might offer but haven't come up with much beyond making his own battlegroup dynamic and interesting on a level equal to the existing juniors. There are so many possibilities but since we don't know anything about the character (since his original version was just going to be a Croak Hunter) it's hard to speculate. |
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Post by creamster on Sept 26, 2018 11:08:29 GMT
Looking the beast mistress (The only other 'lesser' warlock) she lacks the keywording 'lesser warlock'. But worst case at least The new model will add to WWfF for free points.
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Post by mydnight on Sept 26, 2018 11:45:08 GMT
How about a spellslinger who can arc through his beasts? Arced mudfoot  |
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Post by Azahul on Sept 26, 2018 11:45:37 GMT
Looking the beast mistress (The only other 'lesser' warlock) she lacks the keywording 'lesser warlock'. But worst case at least The new model will add to WWfF for free points. Since Mire is a character model wouldn't a more apt point of comparison be Una1, Zaadesh1, and Horgle1? I.e. actual lesser warlocks? |
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Post by chewie on Sept 26, 2018 18:28:30 GMT
Some more info on the Croak shaman guy in the dev talk today:
- He will _not_ have a companion beast. He will act like the non-minions lesser warlocks out there (Una1 and the like).
- He apparently has some tasty spells
- He will _not_ being going through CID
I'm a little miffed about not doing CID. That seems like a recipe for something meta-bendingly good (since they've stated he'll be tuned to provide benefit for whatever factions can take him, as opposed to being _just_ good for minions) or he'll be niche and rarely / never played. Hopefully they don't miss the mark.
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Post by Azahul on Sept 26, 2018 20:33:13 GMT
I mean I'm personally considering tweaking my Arkadius list to fit him in for Rage (it would cost me a Gorax, the Razor Boars, and the Bellows Crew for the Wrastler plus a solo for Mire to get two sources of Rage), so he doesn't need to offer much in his own right for me. I'd much prefer him to be more interesting than just a Rage bot, but knowing nothing more than his presumed functionality in that respect has my attention.
That said, if he ends up niche but playable I would argue that they'd nailed it, since that's ideally where the majority of models should end up.
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Post by chewie on Sept 26, 2018 20:45:43 GMT
That said, if he ends up niche but playable I would argue that they'd nailed it, since that's ideally where the majority of models should end up. Almost 100% agreed. What I'm worried about, with the niche comment, is that he'll end up only barely useful in some jank lists and just isn't good enough for anything else. Like, the croak trappers. You can probably make them work, but you're going out of your way to do so. |
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