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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 19, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
Bonus question. Suppose you could run Borka2 in both SotN and Pod in a Steamroller. When would you field PoD, and when would you field SotN? What would be the determing factor?
I feel this is a valid question, because both lists are viable for different reasons.
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Post by grabsnikk on Sept 19, 2018 19:44:12 GMT
Bonus question. Suppose you could run Borka2 in both SotN and Pod in a Steamroller. When would you field PoD, and when would you field SotN? What would be the determing factor? I feel this is a valid question, because both lists are viable for different reasons. This is a bit of a weird question to ask. Depends on player skill since both players would effectively lose their feats and their cold sprays are both pretty much useless. At this point it would probably come down to who plays better. |
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 19, 2018 21:11:18 GMT
Bonus question. Suppose you could run Borka2 in both SotN and Pod in a Steamroller. When would you field PoD, and when would you field SotN? What would be the determing factor? I feel this is a valid question, because both lists are viable for different reasons. This is a bit of a weird question to ask. Depends on player skill since both players would effectively lose their feats and their cold sprays are both pretty much useless. At this point it would probably come down to who plays better. Ya, the poll is a bit weird. But what about the bonus question? If you could play borka2 sotn AND borka2pod as both your lists, what would determine which gets fielded every round? Which list is good for which enemy and so on? |
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Post by Trollock on Sept 19, 2018 22:05:59 GMT
SotN would win on scenario.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Sept 20, 2018 2:08:20 GMT
I think the question of which theme is a better fit is a good question, though. That is probably a meta-dependent answer. I know when I put together a champions pair I ended up with two pairs I didn't have any way to decide between outside of playing them a lot. They were Borka2 and Grissel2 in PoD and SotN, one pair to each caster/theme combination. The G2 PoD (with glacier King and bomber(composed solely because I thought stationary knocked down models would be funny)) has stomped all over my little meta, but I think that has to do with insufficient experience playing against her since a fair fraction of my meta started since the last time I was playing her regularly, and no one else plays her locally that I have seen.
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Post by jarrow on Sept 20, 2018 5:35:57 GMT
It depends on who are you pairing with Borka. At WTC Banky's PoD list was better, but I think that's only half a truth. If you want to pair him with mama Kolgrima, PoD is better choice, as it answers different questions. One huge variable is also local terrain meta. For example on WTC there was A LOT of terrain and terrain peaces were HUGE (maximum or larger than steamroller says). The more terrain, the better EDBT's are.
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Post by snoozer on Sept 20, 2018 5:45:30 GMT
In case of doubt go with Banky! This question came up in the WTC after tought Podcast of Boxcars: m.youtube.com/watch?v=xecimDnmLoki think the hardest comment wassomething in the Linie of: "play the Northkin stone attachement and you win for 3 Months, if you want to be good in tournaments play the stone scribe elder" What do you guys see in the SoTN list? |
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Post by grimgor on Sept 20, 2018 10:13:24 GMT
The fact is that borka 2 PoD seems to have an auto lose on mirage and spread the net most of the time. I never manage to win with any PoD list on spread the net. Then i prefer borka 2 SoTN, but i'm not sure borka 2 is now a good an answer in the meta, even if he is great caster with some really good matchups. And if u play PoD list with a SoTN or BOH list, i see often list chicken.
I did a match against brisbane 1 with 2 BE and 1 hurricane (with chris dancocks list), he almost table me, but in late game borka just take one BE and then the hurricane already wounded by the bears. BOrka stand in the middle on the table threatening brisbane. That was very funny, but i didn't have anything more to contest and lost on scenario. The feat wasn't enough to protect me from his shoots...
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 20, 2018 18:02:39 GMT
In case of doubt go with Banky! This question came up in the WTC after tought Podcast of Boxcars: m.youtube.com/watch?v=xecimDnmLoki think the hardest comment wassomething in the Linie of: "play the Northkin stone attachement and you win for 3 Months, if you want to be good in tournaments play the stone scribe elder" What do you guys see in the SoTN list? I didn't catch that part. But I can totally see where they are going with that elder problem. For me, the stone elder offers more tools to fight the things I am used to seeing. Wraith Engines, for example. Menoth's fire for another. |
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Post by snoozer on Sept 21, 2018 11:55:07 GMT
In case of doubt go with Banky! This question came up in the WTC after tought Podcast of Boxcars: m.youtube.com/watch?v=xecimDnmLoki think the hardest comment wassomething in the Linie of: "play the Northkin stone attachement and you win for 3 Months, if you want to be good in tournaments play the stone scribe elder" What do you guys see in the SoTN list? I didn't catch that part. But I can totally see where they are going with that elder problem. For me, the stone elder offers more tools to fight the things I am used to seeing. Wraith Engines, for example. Menoth's fire for another. It's exactly that! His quote is for example the Cryx Player choses the healing objective. Now his Wraith engine cannot attack you through terran and models most of the time, because it will lose incop. when it reaches the Stone aura.
The Northkin Elder gives you straight power instead, but you lose a lot of flexibility and Tech that you want to have at Hand.
I play a PoD list combined with a Band of Heros List at the moment. I you combine the "normal elder" with a Sorcerer on the Champions, Mulg in your second List (POD) and you start to accumulate good counterplay to lots of problems, that you can't solve with pure muscle: Incoporeal, continus effects and combos that use them, Attrition still works (you get +2 Arm and +1 Str if needed), Upkeep counterplay with the Sorcerer, general Magic counter with Mulg. If you add Eilish instead of a Sorcerer you also get Puppet Master for Madrak or the Bomber (very nice to have!). EBDT gives no knockdown, Madrak also, so you get a nice stack of "anti-Tech" while you bring pieces that you want anyways, for the most part. Madrak and Chronicle would give Def skew, Pod gives Arm skew to some degree.
The "anti tech" is most important for tournament play I think, so if you just duke it out in your local club, Storm of the North might be the better pick, as you will know which answers you'll need and which you don't.
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