germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Nov 7, 2018 11:34:06 GMT
We've had two CIDs that pulled entire factions out of thin air. I'm not sure why you think pulling half a faction out of thin air to bring the Cephalyx up to par is so far out of reach. Fair point, brain fart, got struck by hollow skull syndrome... *ugh* Can't seem to make a coherent point at the moment after half an hour of typing and deleting. Please ignore me and all the drivel I post... -.-
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 7, 2018 14:35:56 GMT
We've had two CIDs that pulled entire factions out of thin air. I'm not sure why you think pulling half a faction out of thin air to bring the Cephalyx up to par is so far out of reach. To bring Cephalyx up to Crucible Guard numbers they'd need three casters, three units, three light monstrosities and four solos. That's really not a lot by CID standards. The Black Fleet had 5 units and 4 solos just as new models, and also involved many more. My point exactly. But personally I'd rather they got through all the existing themes before dropping more factions on us Technically it would be expanding a sub-faction which already acts like its own faction in to a full faction with proper options. But other than that, I agree, or at least half of the Themes, anyway. Even the Infernalists are too soon for that, imo.
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Deller
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I’m on a Boat
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Post by Deller on Nov 8, 2018 11:53:33 GMT
He's been doing this for over a month now, but it doesn't technically break any rules so I can't justify editing his posts without someone being bothered for legitimate reasons. Please never edit them. Reading this garbage made me laugh almost as hard as the old PP board thread in the Protectorate forum about Havangers floating away into the Stratofear.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 8, 2018 12:06:42 GMT
Please never edit them. Reading this garbage made me laugh almost as hard as the old PP board thread in the Protectorate forum about Havangers floating away into the Stratofear. Wow you were there during the time of snipafist? "Stratosfear of loose havengers" was awesome.
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Post by Bomma on Nov 11, 2018 7:09:39 GMT
We've seen some of the biggest changes to faction/playable/meta come revamped casters through the CIDs.
Do you think a if PP picked a one/two/few/six factions and grabbed one or two casters that don't see play and or plainly just don't work or have hangovers from MK2 and revamped them?
That would fill the void between now and Christmas?
B.
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Post by tiberius on Nov 11, 2018 11:51:59 GMT
Casters have the biggest impact on how any list is played, you would not just be looking at the caster but how they interact in all themes. That would be a bigger job than you think.
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Post by ankiseth on Nov 12, 2018 22:28:06 GMT
"Fall Cornucopia" up this week (presumably Feb releases such as Greylord Adjunct & Grymkin Clockatrice), Steelheads due early December.
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Post by Cryptix on Nov 13, 2018 4:47:26 GMT
Yes, finally improvements for wolves of winter. Still wish we could have gotten a 10 man unit of Greylord novices with magical "ranged" attacks that can be taken in WGK.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Nov 19, 2018 14:44:14 GMT
As someone with experience with rebranding at a corporate level, there's no way Cephalyx will be a mini faction, for the reasons that shoe stated.
Merc players, many of whom have been running ET and Ossrum as a pair for years now, would lose their minds. Granted, its a small number, but PP doesn't want to infuriate the people who are probably paying the most for a single faction.
Secondly, wow that cost. Update the website, pull back all marketing materials/catalogs sent to stores, force all websites carrying the product to take down old listings and put up new ones, replace cards in all boxes/blisters, design/print/repackage all unit/monstrosity boxes, design/print/replace all of those flimsy paper sheets in blisters, send replacement stuff to all stores carrying the product and tell them to fix it (and pay them to do so), all before you even get to the marketing campaign that it would require and the inevitable CID that it would necessitate.
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 19, 2018 17:21:53 GMT
Come back to me when all the Partisan units are fully posted as Mercenaries instead of whom they are Partisan with in all the areas it would be the same problem with Cephalyx becoming their own mini-faction.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Nov 19, 2018 17:58:46 GMT
Come back to me when all the Partisan units are fully posted as Mercenaries instead of whom they are Partisan with in all the areas it would be the same problem with Cephalyx becoming their own mini-faction. Not following this at all. Which partisans are you currently saying are mislabeled?
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 19, 2018 18:16:38 GMT
Come back to me when all the Partisan units are fully posted as Mercenaries instead of whom they are Partisan with in all the areas it would be the same problem with Cephalyx becoming their own mini-faction. Not following this at all. Which partisans are you currently saying are mislabeled? Almost all of them. Where do you find Kayazy Assassins, Precursor Knights, Cephalyx Drudges, and Idrian Skirmishers in PP's Gallery? Under the faction that they are Partisan to. Blaize is the same way, though Cain3 is not. Do their boxes/blisters show them as Mercenaries or do they show them as Khador/Cygnar/Protectorate/Cryx?
Yet, in the game's rules and on their current cards they are listed as MERCENARY units, not of the faction they are Partisan to.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Nov 19, 2018 20:40:45 GMT
And when taken in their respective factions, they are considered "that faction" (e.g. Constance is a Cygnar warcaster). They have to be one or the other, and I imagine it boosts sales to put them as a faction unit/model, since Mercs are second class citizens.
Cephalyx would be fundamentally different; if you don't change them, the marketing is straight up wrong, not just one of two options.
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 19, 2018 22:31:02 GMT
And when taken in their respective factions, they are considered "that faction" (e.g. Constance is a Cygnar warcaster). They have to be one or the other, and I imagine it boosts sales to put them as a faction unit/model, since Mercs are second class citizens. Cephalyx would be fundamentally different; if you don't change them, the marketing is straight up wrong, not just one of two options. In Mk 1 and Mk 2 they were of that Faction, but could be taken as Mercenaries. In Mk 3, they are Mercenaries that can be taken as units in that Faction. Their cards list them as Mercenary units/warcaster.
Cain3 is is listed in the Mercenary Gallery, not the Cygnar, why is Blaize and the Precursors listed in the Cygnar Gallery and not the Mercenaries. Boxes are already messed up, and this was done LONG before anyone is suggesting making Cephalyx their own thing.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Nov 20, 2018 14:03:01 GMT
And when taken in their respective factions, they are considered "that faction" (e.g. Constance is a Cygnar warcaster). They have to be one or the other, and I imagine it boosts sales to put them as a faction unit/model, since Mercs are second class citizens. Cephalyx would be fundamentally different; if you don't change them, the marketing is straight up wrong, not just one of two options. In Mk 1 and Mk 2 they were of that Faction, but could be taken as Mercenaries. In Mk 3, they are Mercenaries that can be taken as units in that Faction. Their cards list them as Mercenary units/warcaster.
Cain3 is is listed in the Mercenary Gallery, not the Cygnar, why is Blaize and the Precursors listed in the Cygnar Gallery and not the Mercenaries. Boxes are already messed up, and this was done LONG before anyone is suggesting making Cephalyx their own thing.
Partisan rules changed to be uniform across models in mk3, so that we didn't have "Cygnar that can be merc" as well as "Merc that can be cygnar". Everything became "Merc or Minion that is 'main faction' when taken in 'main faction' list". That is just bookkeeping.
It is also a terrible proxy for changing models from one faction to another. Cygnar players who buy Blaize didn't get a model they can't use, it just can also be used in Mercs. That's a happy realization, not a cause for anger. If a Merc player buys Cephalyx post "new faction", they have purchased something with their faction symbols all over it that cannot be played in that faction. That way lies customer complaints and refunds.
Could partisan packing be more clear? Sure. Is it causing problems? Only very slight ones in that it is hurting their sales slightly for players who don't know that they can field them. This in no way compares to a faction switch. It's like comparing cars where the clock radio comes set to military time by default and cars that are actually jetskis.
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