germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 12, 2018 10:38:30 GMT
I know its still ongoing but i've given up trying to get some common sense going in the CID forums. Now the complaint is that the bird dies if it uses the pulse. Or that mortality on morvahana is hard to use when you want to use the recursion spell. Strangely enough or perhaos not,now that gethoryx is head and shoulders better than typhoon they dont talk about werewolves anymore except asking for amputation on gethoryx axe... Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 12, 2018 12:14:03 GMT
Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down. There is legitimate scheming going on with things like that. Protectorate was the first I personally saw do it. But they actually get on other group media and say things to the effect of; don't stop at "good" push for more to get overly powerful models.
They've been trying to force a fake narrative about the Storm Raptor the whole time and a few in a certain little butt-buddy club all followed that line of thinking and practically copy+pasted the same argument to get RoF D3+1.
I can see Iona being the same way. She is stupidly powerful to the point my CiD opponent (my wife) apologize for just how easily it won her the game. Yet you do see crap like "her feat should affect all warrior models" "Pursuit is the worst spell" "She's SOOO passive" etc...
It's disgusting. That's not even including the ludicrous bias-logic of "Every faction has more beast support than Circle" or "Pow 19 Stalkers never kill heavies" and on and on and on...
TLDR; they have out crazied my patience
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Post by hocestbellum on Sept 12, 2018 13:21:30 GMT
Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down. There is legitimate scheming going on with things like that. Protectorate was the first I personally saw do it. But they actually get on other group media and say things to the effect of; don't stop at "good" push for more to get overly powerful models.
They've been trying to force a fake narrative about the Storm Raptor the whole time and a few in a certain little butt-buddy club all followed that line of thinking and practically copy+pasted the same argument to get RoF D3+1.
I can see Iona being the same way. She is stupidly powerful to the point my CiD opponent (my wife) apologize for just how easily it won her the game. Yet you do see crap like "her feat should affect all warrior models" "Pursuit is the worst spell" "She's SOOO passive" etc...
It's disgusting. That's not even including the ludicrous bias-logic of "Every faction has more beast support than Circle" or "Pow 19 Stalkers never kill heavies" and on and on and on...
TLDR; they have out crazied my patience
Yeah, I remember that. I'd forgotten which CID it was, but there were people saying 'this is really, really good; I'm not going to post a battle report to the CID forums in case they nerf it'
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Post by davycannonhound on Sept 12, 2018 15:48:02 GMT
There is legitimate scheming going on with things like that. Protectorate was the first I personally saw do it. But they actually get on other group media and say things to the effect of; don't stop at "good" push for more to get overly powerful models.
They've been trying to force a fake narrative about the Storm Raptor the whole time and a few in a certain little butt-buddy club all followed that line of thinking and practically copy+pasted the same argument to get RoF D3+1.
I can see Iona being the same way. She is stupidly powerful to the point my CiD opponent (my wife) apologize for just how easily it won her the game. Yet you do see crap like "her feat should affect all warrior models" "Pursuit is the worst spell" "She's SOOO passive" etc...
It's disgusting. That's not even including the ludicrous bias-logic of "Every faction has more beast support than Circle" or "Pow 19 Stalkers never kill heavies" and on and on and on...
TLDR; they have out crazied my patience
Yeah, I remember that. I'd forgotten which CID it was, but there were people saying 'this is really, really good; I'm not going to post a battle report to the CID forums in case they nerf it' That was cryx I believe.
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gordo
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Post by gordo on Sept 12, 2018 16:10:43 GMT
Yeah I've watched the bias in CiD, it's pretty silly. I watched those same folks use it to (at least attempt to) sabotage the Legion one too.
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rivers
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Post by rivers on Sept 17, 2018 18:02:45 GMT
Or that mortality on morvahana is hard to use when you want to use the recursion spell. What really gets me about this complaint is that they literally say in the dev notes that his is THE POINT. To make the choice between recursion or mortality.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 17, 2018 18:25:12 GMT
Or that mortality on morvahana is hard to use when you want to use the recursion spell. What really gets me about this complaint is that they literally say in the dev notes that his is THE POINT. To make the choice between recursion or mortality. How dare you make players think about their spells and activations. This isn't Chess!
Sarcasm aside CID is over and I think they got a lot of great bits and bobs. Even the whiniest community I've ever seen has so far posted positive remarks about it all. So I'm still certain there was some underhanded political BS going on during the bat reps and theory crafting. But oh well.
I don't think we are really threatened. PT is going to fall to the wayside one way or the other. I don't think Tharn are going to be the nail in that coffin. But their beast lists are going to be waaaaaay better. Again we're looking like red headed step children. Goats are cheap pieces that even without primal can reasonably trade into <not-khador-heavy>. Aside from the Stalker, Warpwolves are all around better. Stalker seemed like a dumb one they waffled about on. I don't think it needed the STR or the Mat so many howled for it to get. Ghetorix actually makes an impact. Divine inspiration at the cost of a grunt is probably going to be bonkers to die to...often. Wish Loki had gotten something. He's so pretty! Brennos is Best old goat!
I'm happy about it in isolation. If I were to compare it to Legion I would fall into a rut of grumps and complaints. But it will be nice to not feel like I'm trouncing Circle and instead playing a real game.
[super-quick-rant] Grymkin got eyeless gun unit now Circle has "We ignore forests" gun unit. I Want My Eyeless Gun Infantry!" [/rant]
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Post by jisidro on Sept 17, 2018 21:42:32 GMT
Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down. There is legitimate scheming going on with things like that. Protectorate was the first I personally saw do it. But they actually get on other group media and say things to the effect of; don't stop at "good" push for more to get overly powerful models.
They've been trying to force a fake narrative about the Storm Raptor the whole time and a few in a certain little butt-buddy club all followed that line of thinking and practically copy+pasted the same argument to get RoF D3+1.
I can see Iona being the same way. She is stupidly powerful to the point my CiD opponent (my wife) apologize for just how easily it won her the game. Yet you do see crap like "her feat should affect all warrior models" "Pursuit is the worst spell" "She's SOOO passive" etc...
It's disgusting. That's not even including the ludicrous bias-logic of "Every faction has more beast support than Circle" or "Pow 19 Stalkers never kill heavies" and on and on and on...
TLDR; they have out crazied my patience
Anamag 64% win at the WTC. Is it the same evil gang that tried to buff up PoM and Circle?
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 17, 2018 23:49:34 GMT
Pursuit being a "situational" spell blows my Firetruckin mind
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Post by bloodhawk on Sept 18, 2018 0:21:34 GMT
The ironic part about the media firestorm that was the Stormraptor is that actual test results showed the pulse wasn't that good. Sure, it sounds good in theory, not as good on the table.
Also, this talk of scheming is absurd. The suggestion that "just because a model was buffed it can't receive more buffs" is showing a complete misunderstanding of the CID process. A model should be made playable, not just better than it used to be. As an example, I play both Legion and Circle and when the Legion CID was out I was hoping that the Carnivean chassis would be improved past its initial buffs, because it needed it. Same with plenty of other models in the Legion CID.
Everyone is in the same boat wanting more playable models for their faction, and it isn't unreasonable to expect that they can come out of CID that way.
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Post by bloodhawk on Sept 18, 2018 0:24:26 GMT
I know its still ongoing but i've given up trying to get some common sense going in the CID forums. Now the complaint is that the bird dies if it uses the pulse. Or that mortality on morvahana is hard to use when you want to use the recursion spell. Strangely enough or perhaos not,now that gethoryx is head and shoulders better than typhoon they dont talk about werewolves anymore except asking for amputation on gethoryx axe... Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down. I mean, I read every battle report for all 3 weeks and I saw VERY few people (if any) asking for buffs on Iona. Primarily people wanted her unlocked from the Tharn theme, which is a point that can be argued. As a whole Circle players seemed very happy with Iona. I did, however, see a bunch of people suggesting that army wide dodge was too strong. Not sure where you got this idea.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 18, 2018 3:15:27 GMT
I mean, I read every battle report for all 3 weeks and I saw VERY few people (if any) asking for buffs on Iona. Primarily people wanted her unlocked from the Tharn theme, which is a point that can be argued. As a whole Circle players seemed very happy with Iona. I did, however, see a bunch of people suggesting that army wide dodge was too strong. Not sure where you got this idea. I'll be honest, salty mood and severe burnout... I haven't mustered the courage to play... literally anything for a while now. Just squinted for an excuse to Female Dog... Apologies...
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Post by Korianneder on Sept 18, 2018 4:28:57 GMT
Funny the contrast between Circle CID/Iona vs Ret CID/Goreshade4... Iona wipes the floor with opposition (for the most part)... request buffs. Goreshade4 typically gets beaten... ask to be toned down. I mean, I read every battle report for all 3 weeks and I saw VERY few people (if any) asking for buffs on Iona. Primarily people wanted her unlocked from the Tharn theme, which is a point that can be argued. As a whole Circle players seemed very happy with Iona. I did, however, see a bunch of people suggesting that army wide dodge was too strong. Not sure where you got this idea.
Except all those people asking her to work with every friendly faction warrior model are asking for a buff. Or all those people who basically said word for word the exact same request asking her to be more impactful on a turn to turn basis. Because a model that threats 11 inches with access to overtake and sprint while having pretty good defensive statlines and stealth isn't impactful enough. There were plenty of people asking for buffs both in the battle reports and in the theory section.
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Sept 18, 2018 7:57:41 GMT
Anamag 64% win at the WTC. Is it the same evil gang that tried to buff up PoM and Circle? Might be. Sounds like something trolls would do. And Anamag is definitely a troll warlock. Please note that 64% is not even the best win rate in the list. It's just Ossrum-level. And Ossrum has been like that for 3 years now ? and nobody minds. What's really important to note in the WTC results, are the 100 games played with Anamag. More that 3/5 of Legion's. So much for #designspace. Both other good-performing Legion list are also not what I'd say typical emblematic Legion gameplay : pThags and pKallus. Emblematic Legion gameplay, as embodied by eAbsy, is at what ? 45% ? Fyanna2 or Vayl2 are not even worth making it into the list ! The future of WMH is games of Ossrum vs Anamag. I consider Ossrum to be by far the funniest to play of the pair. Here I am in 2018, considering Ossrum to be a fun and tricky choice amongst competitive lists As far as I'm concerned, the situation after 2 years of CID is that the game as never been as balanced between factions. Good job on that I guess. Inside factions however, the situation is far worse than the end of mk2. There are far less viable competitive builds. And less emblematic gameplays. Everything looks like trol-lesque buff / tank stupidity. Only Cryx is maybe in as good a position as the end of mk2. In Legion we got our solution to those stupid lists with Anamag, but it's more of the same. Our fun mk2 solutions to stupid brick lists, like pVayl, were nerfed into oblivion, and we can only hope for some news on this side in ~2 years' Nyss CID ? But that's if you still believe PP is capable to design a tricky AND competitive gameplay anymore.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 18, 2018 12:33:46 GMT
Anamag 64% win at the WTC. Is it the same evil gang that tried to buff up PoM and Circle? And how did Fyanna 2 fair when she was released? Cries of a "broken" casters in a "broken" theme lined the boards top to bottom. Now look where she is. Just middle of the pack.
The Legion CID did not literally scheme on these boards to force a false narrative as I have seen.
Is Anamag dumb? yes. Did I advocate that she was too stupidly safe and was able to do too much in a turn? Yes. Why? because she is head and shoulders above Legion's existing warlocks. She gets to have her cake and and eat it too. But being better than the middle to bottom tier is not broken in the overall game setting.
Give it another tournament cycle and people will have figured out how to deal with it.
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