Tharn CID

I think you have a weird definition of powercreep. When over time everything is brought up to the powerlevel of what was ones considered OP, what else would you call it?

The new minifactions even come out ahead of the current powercurve to accomodate for the rise in power to come, to "make them futureproof", PP was very clear on that (apparently, the quote is hearsay on my part).

I appreciate the distinction; you might argue that they set a certain powerlevel to balance for, and as such it is not powercreep, but who are we kiddin if we except that? In the end, many models that aren't in a CID are left to eat dust untill their own Cid cycle, which might be months if not years to come.

Yeah wolves of winter is a legitimately good theme, Khador players just need to pull their finger out and play it. I've constantly told the local player to use wolves for his bad matchups, wrote a few lists for him, now he's finally trying it and smashing everyone.

Ravens is one of my favourite themes in the game for design but we don't have a caster that can fix its weaknesses and play its strengths at the same time- you do one or the other. It is well designed theme that doesn't really work, unlike Children which is poorly designed but we can make work.

Yeah, I just call it a bad theme (Ravens)

Any theme with limited infantry AND a limited battlegroup had better be doing something amazing, and Ravens does nothing if the sort.

Add to that the skornergy of free points for infantry when you need lots of beasts, and it’s just a cluster-firetruck of a theme.

As for wolves... fix up doom reavers and I’ll love wolves. I don’t even play Khador, but I want to see doom reavers be scary again. Right now I don’t fear them at all.

I play against Wolves a lot with my Skorne, they terrify me. 13" threat range when their offensive stats ends just about anything I put in range. All they need is a delivery mechanism, of which Khador has plenty. I've never played against them with my Legion though, so maybe that would lead me to a different opinion.

Wk3 is up. More buffs to the Storm Raptor as well as some toning down and shifting on others.

Iona the Unseen: Iona saw some minor changes this week. Her feat's secondary funciton now only works on Faction models (sorry minions, the Beast was not your time). Additional, Abaittoir was not performing quite as well as we'd hoped. We realize this is a very corner case spell but wanted to give it a little bump in power when those corner cases did come up.

Time of the Beast feat text changed to:

While in Iona’s control range, friendly Tharn models gain +3 STR and ARM. Additionally, while in Iona’s control range, friendly Faction warrior models can reroll missed attack rolls. Each attack roll can be rerolled only once as a result of Time of the Beast. Time of the Beast lasts for one round.


Abattoir spell COST 2.



Morvahna the Autumnblade: This is a request from the community, and one that I quite like. I think there is a very interesting choice now on Morvahna 1 - Do you use Restoration (Formerly Regrowth) to return a bunch of models or do you try to leverage Mortality? If Harvest is up and running you could try for both! Please submit feedback about the direction of these changes and how you feel they affect Morvahna 1 on a turn by turn basis.

Gain Mortality:

Mortality 3 10 – – RND Yes

Target model/unit suffers –2 DEF and ARM, loses Tough XICONX, and cannot have damage removed from it. Mortality lasts for one round.


Cut Regrowth.

Change Restoration to:

Restoration 2 6 – – UP No

Target friendly Faction unit gains +2 ARM. Models are not affected by Restoration while out of formation. During your Control Phase, the spellcaster can spend fury points to return one destroyed small-or medium-based living Grunt from that unit to play for each fury point spent. A returned Grunt must be placed in the spellcaster’s control range, in formation, and within 3” of another model in its unit. The Grunt is returned with one unmarked damage box and must forfeit its Combat Action the turn it is put into play.




Brennos the Elderhorn: This change allows Brennos to be a little more active and aggressive while still maintaining a support role. We're not looking for Brennos to become a combat oriented beast but we also did not want to punish players for getting him into the mix.

Gain Battle Wizard:

Battle Wizard - Once per turn, when this model destroys one or more enemy models with a melee attack during its activation, immediately after the attack is resolved it can make one Magic Ability special attack or special action.




Shadowhorn Satyr: The Shadowhorn was over-performing. Instead of reducing stats or removing rules that players seemed to enjoy we decided to slightly increase it's point cost.
Cost 12.



Storm Rator: We've decided to get a little aggressive in the changes here. Sustained Attack and an increase in Reload to two make the Storm Raptor a little more aggressive in it's ranged output. Energy Pulse combined with Sky Fire brings a very powerful attack that could very well affect both sides of the table. We're very cautious about these changes and really want to see how this does on the table. Please make sure to get some games in with these new rules.

Sky Fire lasts for one round.

Lightning RNG 14.

Cut Lightning Generator from Lightning.

Lightning gains Energy Pulse (★Attack) and Sustained Attack:

Energy Pulse (★Attack) - This attack does not need a target. Each other model within 6˝ of this model that is in its front arc is automatically hit unless this model’s LOS to it is blocked by terrain. Models hit suffer a POW 12 electrical damage roll XICONX. Energy Pulse damage rolls are simultaneous.


Sustained Attack - During this model’s activation, when it makes an attack with this weapon against the last model hit by the weapon this activation, the attack automatically hits.


Replace Reload [1] with Reload [2]:

Reload [2] - This model can be forced to make up to two additional ranged attacks with this weapon during its Combat Action. It can make one additional attack each time it is forced.




Bríghid & Caul: We're fairly happy with this unit's output and turn by turn application but many players found them a little over-costed. We also felt the change to Devourer's Host reduced their effectiveness a little so we wanted to give them a slight bump.

Cost 7.



Bloodweaver Night Witch: This is a nice quality of life change so she can be deployed with the unit she supports.

Gain Advanced Deployment XICONX.



Lord of the Feast: We've decided after the change to Devourer's host to return this classic rule to the Lord of the Feast. This should help it function on a turn by turn basis while also allowing it to utilize Shifter more consistently than it's pre CID version.

Wurmblade gains Blood Reaper:

Blood Reaper - When this model makes an initial attack with this weapon, it makes one melee attack with this weapon against each model in its LOS that is in this weapon’s melee range. Blood Reaper attacks are simultaneous.




Well of Orboros: 10 seems to be slightly aggressive on the point cost scale but there is still a lot of discussion to be had about the point cost of the Well of Orboros. Please continue to test and supply feedback on this model.

Cost 12.


Circle Theme Force: The Devourer’s Host: This is change that was very hotly discussed in week one of this CID. We've decided to give it a try for quite a few reasons, primarily that it takes the spot light off of the Death Wolves and allows many other things to shine without the player feeling like they are handicapping themselves.

Replace the fourth benefit with the following:

· Each model in this army that can gain corpse tokens begins the game with one corpse token.