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Post by copperflame on Sept 6, 2018 21:45:21 GMT
I was heavily invested in Legion's CID. I point-blank asked about models that were NOT on the CID (namely outside of PT). I was instructed that only exceptional issues but anything that took away review/effort of PT would be frowned upon. I really wanted more but I wanted CID to be successful at the same time.
I'm not going to buy into the hype yet. CID is to test changes first. Hopefully good for them will also be good for us in the long run.
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Post by josephkerr on Sept 7, 2018 1:42:48 GMT
I think the point decrease on the Storm Raptor probably gets reversed. Remember, the Archangel tested at 36 before PP testing changed it back to 37.
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Post by zich on Sept 7, 2018 8:54:50 GMT
Has anyone noticed that the devs seem far more invested in this CiD? Like I see them regularly responding to posts, multiple different devs posting, etc. Which is weird because there are fewer models being added than the Legion CiD (which itself felt small anyway). Am I imagining this? Is this just "Druids have greener grass"? The community is also a lot more civil. In part that's probably due to the abscence of a model that starts with H and ends with ellmouth, but not completely. So all in all I am okay with this. The CID process is improving. That doesn't help Legion right now, but the game in the long run.
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Sept 7, 2018 12:10:43 GMT
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Post by thelat on Sept 7, 2018 12:10:43 GMT
I was heavily invested in Legion's CID. I point-blank asked about models that were NOT on the CID (namely outside of PT). I was instructed that only exceptional issues but anything that took away review/effort of PT would be frowned upon. Keeping the scope narrow and clear is how you get a project done. If they were trying to rebalance all of Legion in one go, it would take a lot longer than the piecemeal approach we're getting with CID.
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Sept 7, 2018 12:40:10 GMT
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Post by gordo on Sept 7, 2018 12:40:10 GMT
I was heavily invested in Legion's CID. I point-blank asked about models that were NOT on the CID (namely outside of PT). I was instructed that only exceptional issues but anything that took away review/effort of PT would be frowned upon. Keeping the scope narrow and clear is how you get a project done. If they were trying to rebalance all of Legion in one go, it would take a lot longer than the piecemeal approach we're getting with CID. Right, but I would hardly call the Tharn CiD narrow. They are reviewing practically every heavy they have. And rightly so.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 7, 2018 12:45:30 GMT
Keeping the scope narrow and clear is how you get a project done. If they were trying to rebalance all of Legion in one go, it would take a lot longer than the piecemeal approach we're getting with CID. Right, but I would hardly call the Tharn CiD narrow. They are reviewing practically every heavy they have. And rightly so. "Grass is always greener..."
We didn't come out too poorly. We're still in this weird place that JVM makes the faction look good and we are indeed capable into most things. We just don't have a "wow" factor of internal synergy/balance right now. I'm always in the dumps about how good other models seem on the table and yet I've really only lost to one player consistently and he is literally the best player at our store. We have legs to stand on for now, we just have to wait for more. We don't even have a teaser of what the xmas model will be for us.
[edit] Speculation on the xmas model: Snow witches with summon vortex. >.>
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Sept 7, 2018 13:10:40 GMT
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Sept 7, 2018 13:10:40 GMT
Does the raptor have eyeless sight?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 7, 2018 13:25:29 GMT
Does the raptor have eyeless sight? No.
I will say it only takes a 4pt minion solo to give it eyeless + magical. So it would then cost ~1 point more than the AA when taken together.
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Sept 7, 2018 17:44:56 GMT
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Post by slaughtersun on Sept 7, 2018 17:44:56 GMT
Does the raptor have eyeless sight? Does the archangel have a -5 rng agaist shooting?
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 7, 2018 18:46:56 GMT
Does the raptor have eyeless sight? Does the archangel have a -5 rng agaist shooting? Oi, no need to be nasty.
Well established fact already. But it's still only week 2. Thing change.
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Post by copperflame on Sept 7, 2018 20:41:08 GMT
I was heavily invested in Legion's CID. I point-blank asked about models that were NOT on the CID (namely outside of PT). I was instructed that only exceptional issues but anything that took away review/effort of PT would be frowned upon. Keeping the scope narrow and clear is how you get a project done. If they were trying to rebalance all of Legion in one go, it would take a lot longer than the piecemeal approach we're getting with CID. Agreed - scope creep kills projects (man, I know that all too well from work). PT turned out pretty fantastic - again, I haven't been able to purchase Chosen yet so I haven't really fielded it. Will PT be the bench mark of what other LOE themes should land around or was it more around selling key models? We will see. The throne ended up being awesome. PT is awesome [Anamag, Chosen, Golab, Gorag, BlightBringer]. Thag2 felt good after CID but seems like its still not enough for him. Abby1 is strong but our [base] infantry may be the short coming there? AA improved but without being cheaper/survivable, is still lacking. The CID (and any 'Live Update' structure) takes patience and constant tweaking and... trust.
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Sept 7, 2018 20:52:14 GMT
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Post by gordo on Sept 7, 2018 20:52:14 GMT
Keeping the scope narrow and clear is how you get a project done. If they were trying to rebalance all of Legion in one go, it would take a lot longer than the piecemeal approach we're getting with CID. Agreed - scope creep kills projects (man, I know that all too well from work). PT turned out pretty fantastic - again, I haven't been able to purchase Chosen yet so I haven't really fielded it. Will PT be the bench mark of what other LOE themes should land around or was it more around selling key models? We will see. The throne ended up being awesome. PT is awesome [Anamag, Chosen, Golab, Gorag, BlightBringer]. Thag2 felt good after CID but seems like its still not enough for him. Abby1 is strong but our [base] infantry may be the short coming there? AA improved but without being cheaper/survivable, is still lacking. The CID (and any 'Live Update' structure) takes patience and constant tweaking and... trust. I was never sold on the Throne, actually. It just feels like "yet more infantry mulching", something that the Scythean was already quite capable of for basically the same price. It just felt like "more of the same" and did nothing to address the question of "why am I playing Legion over some other faction?" Primal Terrors answers that question quite nicely, but PT wasn't really out at the time.
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Sept 7, 2018 23:51:46 GMT
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Post by slaughtersun on Sept 7, 2018 23:51:46 GMT
The problem is legion's theme forces bonuses are either crap or the models allowed are crap barring PT and arguably OoA. If circle heavies come out of CiD as they are now i'll just lobby for Rat6 ravagores, rat 6 /mat 7/ spd 6 / p+s 20 carniveans, p+s 19 scytheans, pathfinder on typhoon along with p+s 19 ... not to mention our infantry and nephilim. Seriously i understand the need for power creep and imbalance but they can fo it softly instead of ramming it down our throats. This in not so much a hit on circle but rather a hit on how legion is at these da6s.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 8, 2018 1:54:34 GMT
Does the archangel have a -5 rng agaist shooting? Oi, no need to be nasty.
Well established fact already. But it's still only week 2. Thing change.
Eyeless sight is a damn sight more useful on a gunplatform than rng vs shooting though.
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Sept 8, 2018 6:17:19 GMT
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Post by snotling on Sept 8, 2018 6:17:19 GMT
Agreed - scope creep kills projects (man, I know that all too well from work). PT turned out pretty fantastic - again, I haven't been able to purchase Chosen yet so I haven't really fielded it. Will PT be the bench mark of what other LOE themes should land around or was it more around selling key models? We will see. The throne ended up being awesome. PT is awesome [Anamag, Chosen, Golab, Gorag, BlightBringer]. Thag2 felt good after CID but seems like its still not enough for him. Abby1 is strong but our [base] infantry may be the short coming there? AA improved but without being cheaper/survivable, is still lacking. The CID (and any 'Live Update' structure) takes patience and constant tweaking and... trust. I was never sold on the Throne, actually. It just feels like "yet more infantry mulching", something that the Scythean was already quite capable of for basically the same price. It just felt like "more of the same" and did nothing to address the question of "why am I playing Legion over some other faction?" Primal Terrors answers that question quite nicely, but PT wasn't really out at the time. against dedicated inf spam, the scythean is quite useless, even with reach it just doesn't reach enough dudes to kill more than 3-4, against any capable opponent at least, and then it gets trivially removed. the throne on the other hand wipes whole units and then is really hard to kill for its points (by legion standards). and the throbe doesnt use fury.
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