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Post by deathbymelancholy on Aug 31, 2018 12:23:37 GMT
So did anything stand out to anyone? I didn't see anything to against the grain for the most part, which is not saying anything about the quality of the lists themselves. I do have a bottle of local distilled vodka on the line as to whether or not Russia Sputnik Maria wins a single game with that Garryth list. (I say she wins at least one over the course of the event, my competitor says it is so bad she will not win a single match with it). Just wondering if anyone saw anything that made them pause. Or if ya'll just don't care as the C.I.D. should drop relatively soon?
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 31, 2018 13:27:23 GMT
Or if ya'll just don't care as the C.I.D. should drop relatively soon? This. CID should have been released before this event. Scheduling should have been better for the release, considering the 6 weeks between GenCon and WTC.
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Post by prism on Aug 31, 2018 15:28:07 GMT
I'm actually glad that the CID didn't drop in time. I've played my lists for the WTC a lot, and having disruption just before submission would probably have been more harm than benefit.
For the lists, my favorite is the Finnish Vyros2 list. There is an episode of House Shyeel Podcasts on the Muse on Minis network where the lists are discussed in quite a bit of detail. May be worth a listen if you're interested
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Post by elladan52 on Aug 31, 2018 16:25:41 GMT
I kinda wish it would drop sooner, but I understand they wanted to work with the wtc. On the other hand, it literally disrupts only 15 people in the whole game, so...
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Aug 31, 2018 17:40:59 GMT
This. CID should have been released before this event. Scheduling should have been better for the release, considering the 6 weeks between GenCon and WTC. Eh... swings and roundabouts. Most players would be locked into their lists several months in advance and would be doing pair-offs theory-crunching, not list-dojoing. Also, even if they were, dear god, the running around they'd do to emergency stress-test post-CID lists they'd go mad. Also, the CID cycle took place just a couple weeks before the list submission deadline AFAIK, so there would be literally no time to parse the CID changes, dojo WTC level lists and break them in sufficiently. Ask any WTC Ret player, they'll be glad the update is going live after the event. EDIT - like prism's post right after...
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 2, 2018 15:21:48 GMT
Ask any WTC Ret player, they'll be glad the update is going live after the event. EDIT - like prism's post right after... Oh, you mean all 15 of them. I wonder if there would have been more Ret players had the CID went through 1st. Honestly intrigued.
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germanicus
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Post by germanicus on Sept 2, 2018 16:41:53 GMT
Oh, you mean all 15 of them. I wonder if there would have been more Ret players had the CID went through 1st. Honestly intrigued. Eh, doesn't really matter how many, it would be the same irrespective... Again, I'm inclined to say... no. It depends on when the CID would go live in WarRoom and how long the gap is between the update happening and list submission date. I can pretty much guarantee that among the shark teams, if this period was anything less than about three to four months, factions would definitely not change and lists would not change much. If anything, for the multi-faction players, everyone else would probably go 'don't play Ret, we don't have enough time to thrash out killer lists and stress test them fully'. For one-faction loyalists, they'd need to be kidnapped and put in a dimly lit room with every possible scenario seared into their eyelids in a month, then play a few games every day to get the opening moves of every list inch perfect, while everyone else figures out ways of dealing with it. Put it this way, when Banky (who's shifting to Ret next year, woo-hoo...!), McWatters and Tsu won the WiTC with triple Khador... Tsu was the one with least Khador playing confidence and was given Vlad1 Rockets. Scenario is slightly different, but apply that to a faction whose internal balance will be affected quite a bit by the CID and given what WTC mentality is usually like (i.e. go with what's safe, 'cos most players there will have borderline encyclopaedic knowledge of every factions' power pieces and ubiquitous elements) more teams than not would be kinda annoyed by it, for having to face stuff they have less experience against (if no Ret) or for having to drill new sets of tactics (if yes Ret). I cannot say much for the more casual teams, but they could roll either way.
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