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Post by harrism on Aug 22, 2018 16:27:29 GMT
So I didn't want to bombard the Merc menite thread with none related stuff do I started a new thread.
I'm looking at Crosse 2 and my current thinking is along the lines of:
Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars
[Crosse 2] Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter [+29]
- Mariner [14]
- Mariner [14]
- Mariner [14]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)]
Anastasia di Bray [3]
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution [0(6)]
Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [0(4)]
Kell Bailoch [0(5)]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10]
Hammerfall High Shield Gun Corps (max) [16]
- Hammerfall High Shield Officer & Standard [5]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
Idrians tend to die quickly anyway so having them provide souls for Crosse and corpses for Alexia seems ok and if they manage to take the heat off something else great. Plus survivors can run and gun quite well.
I like mariners and my limited experience seems to be that with a 17" range they can get away with one focus. They also benefit from the feat which could help contrast or score zones whilst still getting the aiming bonus.
I've never used or seen high shields but they look like they could be good with Dauntless Resolve. Plus mini feat and feat could be good to get them to cover distance whilst still being useful.
It's all theory but anyone got any thoughts?
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 22, 2018 16:33:16 GMT
I prefer Reinholdt over Sylys for Crosse, the extra shot when he does not death deal or removing stealth is invaluable.
Never played High Shields and they are widely considered to be terrible, a better target for DR would be Forge Guard, that then frees up 5 points for Lynus and Edrea, who are also great enablers for Crosse
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Post by shoe on Aug 22, 2018 21:55:24 GMT
War Room Army
Mercenary - Crosse2 Halberdiers
Theme: The Irregulars
4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter - WJ: +29
- Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator - PC: 0
- Mariner - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
- Rover - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
Ragman - PC: 0
Major Harrison Gibbs - PC: 0
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord - PC: 0
Gobber Tinker - PC: 2
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen - Alexia & 9 Risen Grunts: 10
- Thrall Warrior
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Press Gangers - Lass & 9 Grunts: 12
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 7
THEME: The Irregulars
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GENERATED : 08/22/2018 11:52:03
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
liek magnus2 but with more death dealers
War Room Army
Mercenary - Crosse2 double Crawler
Theme: The Irregulars
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter - WJ: +29
- Talon - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7)
- Talon - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7)
- Talon - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7)
- Talon - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7)
Hammerfall Siege Crawler - PC: 18
Hammerfall Siege Crawler - PC: 18
Ragman - PC: 0
Major Harrison Gibbs - PC: 0
Anastasia di Bray - PC: 3
Gobber Tinker - PC: 2
Gobber Tinker - PC: 2
Horgenhold Forge Guard - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16
Horgenhold Forge Guard - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16
THEME: The Irregulars
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GENERATED : 08/22/2018 11:53:37
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
double down on both lifebound and dauntless with recursion. talons screen and contest
War Room Army
Mercenary - Crosse2 Jack marshal
Theme: The Irregulars
4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter - WJ: +29
- Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator - PC: 0
- Rover - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Mariner - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
Major Harrison Gibbs - PC: 0
Dirty Meg - PC: 3
- Mangler - PC: 15
Rutger Shaw, Professional Adventurer - PC: 0
- Mangler - PC: 15
Ragman - PC: 0
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Thorn Gun Mages - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9
THEME: The Irregulars
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GENERATED : 08/22/2018 11:55:00
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
deliver flanking manglers
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Post by harrism on Aug 23, 2018 14:07:51 GMT
Massed halberds keep coming up in lots of lists. Are they really worth it? When I've used them in the past the just did miserably.
Different ways to build lists, I've been focused more on gunline type lists.
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Post by borderprince on Aug 23, 2018 15:42:51 GMT
Massed halberds keep coming up in lots of lists. Are they really worth it? When I've used them in the past the just did miserably. Different ways to build lists, I've been focused more on gunline type lists. Halberdiers are a good source of cheap Lifebound targets. You want the Lifebound target to die, so doing miserably isn't too much of a problem. But they're actually pretty good infantry too, especially for their points, and as merc buffs start getting added on.
The difficulty with Crosse as a gunline is that he doesn't actually do much for shooting, beyond a small range bonus to his BG and a feat which doesn't buff the damage dealing potential of the shooting. No accuracy boost or damage buff.In theory you can shoot and scoot from the feat but (i) Idrians can already do that to some extent; and (ii) that doesn't always held with scenario.
In terms of your posted list, and ignoring the Highshields (best thing for them at present):
Eiryss1 over Eiryss2 - Eiryss1 can strip all focus from an opposing caster, which really opens up Crosse's own ranged assassination potential;
Consider Taryn over Kell - again she's an assassination enabler with 2 Shadowfire shots. Normally I'd say that she will never made it to get in range, but with a unit of 10 shield guards around, she might.
Alexia1 - I like her with Crosse for the double-dipping from Lifebound.
Still waiting for an improvement to Steelhead Cavalry. I think Crosse + halberdiers + cavalry (+Alexia1?) could be pretty decent.
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Post by shoe on Aug 23, 2018 18:46:25 GMT
Massed halberds keep coming up in lots of lists. Are they really worth it? When I've used them in the past the just did miserably. Different ways to build lists, I've been focused more on gunline type lists. see it turns out dat like 75% of the merc roster ranges from total crap to corner case playable at best, especially since we will be the last faction to get a cid. we pretty much hanging our hats on ossrum paired with one of three other casters. lalalese resistance's issues has been thoroughly explained as u found out and there is only 1 good build in kingmaker's so u mostly can play in irregulars where ur unit options are eliminators, aiyana and holt, and halberdiers as mainstays. alexia1, horgenhold artillery, lynus and edrea and forge guard are playable, but often not as good as just spamming 50 bodies, since halberds can do a bit of everything. |
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Post by harrism on Sept 5, 2018 12:07:37 GMT
I played Crosse again last night and really enjoyed it. There are still a few tweaks to be made but for a combined arms list it seems pretty solid. He also comfortably killed granny Haley and caused my opponent to keep all the Haley's at arm's length which was nice. The new itteration is below. Double idrians are so that I can get a few good turns off souls for life bound rather than the 1 or 2 with a single unit.
Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Irregulars
[Crosse 2] Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter [+29]
- Mariner [14]
- Mariner [14]
- Mariner [14]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)]
Eiryss, Mage Hunter of Ios [0(7)]
Major Harrison Gibbs [0(4)]
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [0(4)]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10]
Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16]
Idrian Skirmishers (min) [9]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Idrian Skirmishers (min) [9]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
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Post by postindirty on Sept 5, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
u mostly can play in irregulars where ur unit options are eliminators, aiyana and holt, and halberdiers as mainstays. alexia1, horgenhold artillery, lynus and edrea and forge guard are playable, but often not as good as just spamming 50 bodies, since halberds can do a bit of everything. and pressgangers |
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Post by shoe on Sept 6, 2018 0:45:39 GMT
also i leaved out indrimans
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Post by postindirty on Sept 6, 2018 1:09:18 GMT
ooo yeah.
I also want to submit Nyss, Croes and Thorn Gun mages for the playable category
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Post by shoe on Sept 6, 2018 3:41:16 GMT
ooo yeah. I also want to submit Nyss, Croes and Thorn Gun mages for the playable category no. i will not cross that bridg wid u |
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Post by shoe on Sept 6, 2018 4:12:34 GMT
War Room Army
Mercenary - Crosse2 Halberdiers
Theme: The Irregulars
4 / 4 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Lieutenant Crosse, Resistance Fighter - WJ: +29
- Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator - PC: 0
- Rover - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 15)
- Mariner - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14)
Ragman - PC: 0
Major Harrison Gibbs - PC: 0
Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist - PC: 0
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen - Alexia & 9 Risen Grunts: 10
- Thrall Warrior
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Steelhead Halberdiers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 11
Horgenhold Forge Guard - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16
Horgenhold Forge Guard - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16
THEME: The Irregulars
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GENERATED : 09/05/2018 21:10:25
BUILD ID : 2067.18-06-10
originally at first me had 40 halberders and some other junk but then I realized I could get double dorf's in there and I thought that was pretty neat since I need something to hit really hard and crosse can deliver them pretty good and I think this is a good thing
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Post by Munindk on Sept 7, 2018 12:08:12 GMT
ooo yeah. I also want to submit Nyss, Croes and Thorn Gun mages for the playable category no. i will not cross that bridg wid u Too expensive, doesnt do enough and too fragile? |
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Post by shoe on Sept 7, 2018 14:10:25 GMT
no. i will not cross that bridg wid u Too expensive, doesnt do enough and too fragile? also they smell |
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Post by Xintas on Sept 12, 2018 20:51:22 GMT
I'm personally a big fan of the TGM, but that's because of my play style and not because most people will ever get good use out of them. Also, Halberdiers take buffs better than any merc unit.
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