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Post by crow on Aug 31, 2018 4:46:07 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 31, 2018 5:58:40 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. I personally find shoe hilarious, his charming wit and infallible spelling always brighten my day...
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 31, 2018 6:50:19 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. very well, cow!!! let me 'splain a few very helpful and not-at-all narrow-minded things to you about force mulplitication and what it has done to teh game since cid got round to northkins. let's begin wtih mad dork1. he runs 14/18 sanguine bond, tough, no KD champions wid skaldi and sanguine bond and his feat heals dem to full and then u can't charge em. he also has either a boat load of fennblades, or double totally fair bears that are 10 pts and have every rule in teh game including prowl, patthfinder, and unyielding so they're like 14/21 under the stone to melee. let's go with teh northkin build with double bears. If even one of dem fair bears gets to one of ur crappy mat 6 merc heavies under stone strength, it will cripple it into teh dirt. if even TWO champions get to ur crappy merc heavy, it will die. if any of his heavy warbeasts get to ur crappy merc heavy it is dead. just pick it up. meanwhile it will take two of ur nomads to kill dat 14/20 troll heavy if ur lucky. and u can forget about killing more than 1 or 2 champs. it's jaw dropping how bad the math is now mad dork only has 5 fury, but he also has a spell slave and blood boon so it is more like he has 10 fury. so he and the slave are tossing around guided hands and blood booning even grounds so his entire army is like 14/20 and wrecks shop on everything it touches. and get this. they also hav a fellow caller hero that hands out pathfider or +2 mat on a stick but also has 8 boxes and a spray unlike dumb ol rhupert. or how's about anamoop the doom feaster. between carnage, gorag and teh blight bringer she can get +6 to hit. she can also do a 4 pt arm swing and she runs arm 21 chosen with hyper regeneration. meanwhile she can park 2 hellmouths somewhere hard to get and stay in scenario risk free. on her feat turn she can obliterate over half ur army if u can't stop it. and we ain't even got to cryx and menoth and onions and new tharn and bones and new ret... so along comes ol' dork macbain and he has a pretty good jamming feat and 6 focus and fortune, countermeasure, energizer, jackhammer, failsafe and whatever 4 solos come tag along with which he is going to take on dis brave new world. well, sir... a year ago it worked pretty doggone well but dat don't cut it no more because all the numbers are waaaay higher now. mercs are one of two factions what haven't had a real cid yet and we slowly falling behind teh power curve until we get those sweet new steelhead artillery pieces that i suppose will blow up the world after cid anyway... teh reason u see merc players who do well at big tournaments always playing ossrum and usually magnus2 or damiano is cuz them casters can still hang wit murderer's row. ossrum hangs because of his feat, spell list and the spiffyness of bunnies, drillers and bashers. like, just putting a blaster on the table is like getting 2-10 free focus per turn. magnus2 just jams like nobody's bidness and damiano has every kind of buff in the book on his card somewhere so too bad if u don't like teh way it is. i dont like it either. i dont want to play ossrum. i want to play crosse2 but he's too weak because Christmas cid left him lost in the shuffle and they didnt have enough minutes to make him good and it looks like lalalese resistance releases that might fix his gimmicky ass are years down the road. i gives super good advice but what most folks accually want is validation.
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Munindk
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Post by Munindk on Aug 31, 2018 6:59:16 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. Dont think of shoe as a real person. Instead, think of him as an amalgation of the current tournament metas opinions, voiced through a special lazy leet speak version of google translate. If you can filter out the noise and you're looking for advice on what will work for a large tournament he has some good advice. If you want advice on a model not currently in favour on the tournament scene just ignore him. On topic I like the idea of a Sweeper and Pivot, where can I read more about it?
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Post by onijet01 on Aug 31, 2018 7:16:46 GMT
So to reply to Shoe about the rulic lights being so incredibly solid. The Grundback Blaster in particular being played heavily.
Does that also no spell bad for the Rhulic cid in the future. As the models will most likely receive a restriction in ability.
I mean out next CID is going to be Steelhead, but that also raises to the question of non steelhead models the cid will work on.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 31, 2018 7:24:41 GMT
So to reply to Shoe about the rulic lights being so incredibly solid. The Grundback Blaster in particular being played heavily. Does that also no spell bad for the Rhulic cid in the future. As the models will most likely receive a restriction in ability. I mean out next CID is going to be Steelhead, but that also raises to the question of non steelhead models the cid will work on. meh. at worst they go to 7 pts. but dey not op anymore. the numbers are higher than yesteryear in those happy golden days of yore
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Aug 31, 2018 7:36:19 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. Dont think of shoe as a real person. Instead, think of him as an amalgation of the current tournament metas opinions, voiced through a special lazy leet speak version of google translate. If you can filter out the noise and you're looking for advice on what will work for a large tournament he has some good advice. If you want advice on a model not currently in favour on the tournament scene just ignore him. On topic I like the idea of a Sweeper and Pivot, where can I read more about it? so like. a sweeprr army is a list that beats many many things because its so super strong and a pivot list is an army that beats many other things that the sweeper list cant cuz its so strong but in a more flexible pseudo intellectual kinda way Or, if you will, it's your main list and the list that covers as many of its bad matchups as you can think of and hopefully matchups you hadn't. also ur an amalgmaton!
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 31, 2018 12:33:36 GMT
So got two games in yesterday with the following list:
Mercenary Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] The Irregulars
[Ashlynn 1] Ashlynn d'Elyse [+29] - Mangler [15] - Rover [15] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Lanyssa Rhyssl [0(4)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Ragman [4] Rhupert [4] Wrong Eye [17] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr [5] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11]
First game was against Vlad 2 Armoured Korp, my biggest mistake was I forgot about the Drakhun being able to Counterchrage through MoW models due to Tactician, and my Mangler got his flail crippled *Sad Trombone!*, I killed a fair amount of stuff, but then Ashlynn got charge by Dragos and one other Demo Corp. Rolling 7 dice to hit (Hand of Fate, Arcane Might, Star Crossed and Roulette), dropping the lowest, highest and two that I choose. Dragos missed his charge, but rolled a 2,3,3,4,4,5,6 for his second attack, which became a 3,3,4,4,5 with needing 9s to hit there was no way for me to deny the crit Stationary *Sadder Trombone* and Ashlynn got splatted
My second game was against Vlad 2 Wolves of Winter, Quicken was money in this game, HoF Outriders needing 9s still miss often enough, it was an absolute grind and great fun, and managed to pull it out on scenario in the end.
I am thinking of dropping Wrongeye to get that 4th free slot (and makes the list easier to play for my simple brain), and getting Eilish in the mix over Lanyssa, (Aiyana rolling snake eyes on her harm to hit a Spriggan made me remember why I take Eilish)
Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Irregulars
[Ashlynn 1] Ashlynn d'Elyse [+29] - Mangler [15] - Rover [15] - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [0(4)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [0(5)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [0(5)] Ragman [0(4)] Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord [4] Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Kayazy Eliminators [5] Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8] Lynus Wesselbaum & Edrea Lloryrr [5] Steelhead Halberdiers (max) [11]
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Post by Charistoph on Aug 31, 2018 15:23:20 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. Pfft, I just put him on ignore. I may not be exercising my brain by trying to interpret what he says, but I'm also not endanger of saying something while irritated with what he said. I've had to deal with worse types on a 40K rules discussion forum and it worked best when they were on ignore.
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Aug 31, 2018 21:17:35 GMT
shoe is legit one of the reasons I factioned jumped. I needed more helpful real advice and after just getting trolly negative and honestly narrow minded feed back from him and a few others I just gave up bouncing ideas around here. It’s also why I more just read forums now instead of post. Yes, shoe's delivery is rough around the edges and some of his responses aren't relevant. But when he does give advice, as others stated above, it's pretty on point with the larger regional/national meta and tournament/con scene; so it's usually worth the effort of sifting through the noise to find the message. If you're not worried about things like that, then the answer will always be "it depends", or "play what you like", or "try it and have some fun with it". Mercs has a lot of random, pointless, inefficient, and/or quirky stuff. So if you like any and all of those, don't let the forum(s) stop you from playing them. In my experience, I've received far more in-depth, helpful advice, and good idea/brainstorming sessions and discussion by individually messaging people that I thought had some cool ideas or concepts that I was interested in or that I had identified as knowledgeable with a certain caster I was interested in. This may be an option you want to explore? We all need help from time to time; unfortunately throwing it out there in a forum doesn't always lead to the best responses or the most empathetic of ears. This is why I favor asking people directly. I've been surprised how receptive and responsive people are one-on-one and are generally eager to help others interested in their ideas or experience. Sorry to hear that your experience has been negative, especially in a faction forum that's already fairly inactive.
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Aug 31, 2018 21:30:40 GMT
On topic I like the idea of a Sweeper and Pivot, where can I read more about it? To put it as succinctly as I can, a "sweeper" is your list that asks a question, your "pivot" is your list that ties to have answers to questions your sweeper can't answer. So a question list and an answers list. Some casters naturally build into one or the other pretty decisively. There are a few casters that can build into either one. With how this phrasing has caught on there's a few good posts out there talking about it. Charles Soong kind of discusses it as it pertains to Mercs in a 2 part article on LOS: Part 1: www.loswarmachine.com/losgeneral/2018/7/6/warmachine-university-tactica-mercenary-list-pairings-with-charles-soongaPart 2: www.loswarmachine.com/losgeneral/2018/8/8/warmachine-university-tactica-mercenary-pairings-with-charles-soong-part-2Essentially, find your win-more list that you enjoy playing. And during that time of having fun and kicking arse, figure out what counters it. Then find a caster/theme that gives you a fighting chance to balance it out. Sorry for the double post, but I felt it was warranted due to the completely different topics and responses they were targeting within the thread.
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