snot
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Post by snot on Aug 29, 2018 18:00:31 GMT
I mostly played them in pairs, pending on terrain and scenario. They are only optional dmgdealer but mostly for unjamming or critfishing.
Enemy casters advancing in their threat usually ended with casterkill, since 1-2 additional pow 14 are mostly enough after kolgrimmas attempt
Freezing chosen, mongers, gators, mow can also be really Funny
Against dudespam They are gold Against armspam They suck unless u can freeze em.
Overall i am quite satisfied with the results
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Aug 29, 2018 19:14:14 GMT
I mostly played them in pairs, pending on terrain and scenario. They are only optional dmgdealer but mostly for unjamming or critfishing. Enemy casters advancing in their threat usually ended with casterkill, since 1-2 additional pow 14 are mostly enough after kolgrimmas attempt Freezing chosen, mongers, gators, mow can also be really Funny Against dudespam They are gold Against armspam They suck unless u can freeze em. Overall i am quite satisfied with the results That's right... the Shamans don't have crit freeze...
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snot
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Post by snot on Aug 30, 2018 14:24:20 GMT
I even run 1 shaman in addition . But i mostly use him as losblocker for kolgranny The huge difference is the boostable spray and 22hp.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 4, 2018 12:43:29 GMT
I honestly don't see how anyone could be surprised by the warlock spread. 95.7% of all the commentary for Trolls has been Kolgrima, Borka2, Madrak1. And for the WTC they are always going to play the most perceived strength. For whatever reason the caster/lock pools of most factions is stagnant as an eight day puddle. I saw nothing shocking in any faction based on current views of "the meta".
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 4, 2018 13:16:10 GMT
Is there a link to champions ADR and the WTC or other events showings for warlock/warcasters? In other words, should one expect to see less kolgrimma, and more Grissel2 next year? I mean, as you practice for an event, and the strategy is to get in as many reps with an army as possible, and to increase the amount of events you can compete in, it would make sense to focis on one of the adr warlocks, right?
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 4, 2018 13:40:42 GMT
Is there a link to champions ADR and the WTC or other events showings for warlock/warcasters? In other words, should one expect to see less kolgrimma, and more Grissel2 next year? I mean, as you practice for an event, and the strategy is to get in as many reps with an army as possible, and to increase the amount of events you can compete in, it would make sense to focis on one of the adr warlocks, right? WTC- conflictchamber.com/?event=458
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Post by disgruntledwargamer on Sept 4, 2018 15:09:51 GMT
Yeah, that is this year's breakdown. I did say "link"..... So to clarify, I was asking to see if anyone has done an analysis on previous years and current uears to see if adr correlates directly to wtc list selection. And then loosely asking if anyone thinks next year wtc will follow suit, and if anyone who plays in the international scene can confirm anecdotally if adr shapes their pairings.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 5, 2018 12:45:48 GMT
I honestly don't see how anyone could be surprised by the warlock spread. 95.7% of all the commentary for Trolls has been Kolgrima, Borka2, Madrak1. And for the WTC they are always going to play the most perceived strength. For whatever reason the caster/lock pools of most factions is stagnant as an eight day puddle. I saw nothing shocking in any faction based on current views of "the meta". You didn't find that Garryth list from Retribution shocking? Haha.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Sept 5, 2018 14:24:13 GMT
You didn't find that Garryth list from Retribution shocking? Haha. He's outside the curve. I'm speaking more of what is in the mean. You are always going to have outliers representing more unique options. But looking at the bulk of casters in any given faction, anyone paying attention should have been able to pick them out, by and large.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 5, 2018 15:47:56 GMT
You didn't find that Garryth list from Retribution shocking? Haha. He's outside the curve. I'm speaking more of what is in the mean. You are always going to have outliers representing more unique options. But looking at the bulk of casters in any given faction, anyone paying attention should have been able to pick them out, by and large. Agreed. That was just me playing devil's advocate. ;D There are a lot of wash and repeat lists. But hopefully the outliers will play very well.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Sept 6, 2018 5:05:59 GMT
Yeah, that is this year's breakdown. I did say "link"..... So to clarify, I was asking to see if anyone has done an analysis on previous years and current uears to see if adr correlates directly to wtc list selection. And then loosely asking if anyone thinks next year wtc will follow suit, and if anyone who plays in the international scene can confirm anecdotally if adr shapes their pairings. I think there is nearly nothing connection between ADR and WTC lists. Masters and ADR is not that big thing in europe, so you have plenty of big tournaments to train other casters as well. Also I think that next year link is even loser, because Masters don't use ADR anymore.
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gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Sept 7, 2018 0:18:12 GMT
Hell even in NA Champions is a side event that doesn't seem to be taken seriously - its often what they put on Sunday for the people who don't make the top 16 cut at events I've gone to. I'm hoping separating it from Masters and more aggressively restricting it makes it into a novel format that people will seriously pursue.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Sept 7, 2018 0:38:50 GMT
I think it seems like a great place for people just getting into the competitive scene to get started, since they won't have to deal with the worst of the Meta lists. I built a couple pairs just for it, and have been working to decide which I like best. I don't even know if a Champions event I can get to, it just seems like a nice way to focus my practice besides only playing the Meta-approved warlocks.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 7, 2018 8:00:50 GMT
Hell even in NA Champions is a side event that doesn't seem to be taken seriously - its often what they put on Sunday for the people who don't make the top 16 cut at events I've gone to. I'm hoping separating it from Masters and more aggressively restricting it makes it into a novel format that people will seriously pursue. I believe the plan is for the Iron Gauntlet final to alternate between SR and Champions and so the 2019 final will be the Champions format.
If that is the case then I can see the format picking up great traction over the next 12 months.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Sept 7, 2018 8:02:19 GMT
I think it seems like a great place for people just getting into the competitive scene to get started, since they won't have to deal with the worst of the Meta lists. I built a couple pairs just for it, and have been working to decide which I like best. I don't even know if a Champions event I can get to, it just seems like a nice way to focus my practice besides only playing the Meta-approved warlocks. My local club in England is trying to run the first two day Champions event in November.
There has been great interest and positive feedback, but a lack of people buying tickets. Hopefully this format can take off!
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