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Post by Lord_Randall on Aug 21, 2018 7:44:25 GMT
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Post by elshinare on Aug 21, 2018 10:23:58 GMT
This is what happens when people are adamant that one part of the faction is best/good, and the rest is bad. 40 Bones lists 4 call of the wild, 21 Krueger 2 lists 16 Thorle 1 and 1's 2's of other casters, get ready for a Krueger2 nerf ladies and gents
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Post by redcathal on Aug 21, 2018 10:41:45 GMT
I really doubt Krueger will get nerfed. While he is clearly an outlier because of his crazy control game he hasnt been crazy dominant otherwise there would be another 40 circle players. If anything it just shows the rest of the faction needs to catch up and that's fine considering they are about to make CotW and DH a lot more attractive
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 21, 2018 10:49:14 GMT
Holy balls there are 3 slayers for every Cryx player...wtf?
As far as Circle goes...it’s hard to bring anything other than call or Bones in a meta with all of that high arm heavy and BE spam nonsense. Our infantry just doesn’t deal with armore, period. CiD creep has not been kind to us at all.
I think Bones and CotW are our best 2 themes, with Devo Host in 3rd. Having played Into the meta boogeyman (Gaspy3, Ossrum, Magnus2, PT) Only Bones And Call canhold thisr own against the raw statline of the models in those lists.
This is quickly becoming a game where arm and Boxes are the most important stats you have, look at how boring some of those lists are? And yet, they are the best in the game currently.
Not super excited for things after seeing this.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 21, 2018 11:36:42 GMT
This is what happens when people are adamant that one part of the faction is best/good, and the rest is bad. 40 Bones lists 4 call of the wild, 21 Krueger 2 lists 16 Thorle 1 and 1's 2's of other casters, get ready for a Krueger2 nerf ladies and gents The caster that missed WTC 2016 and went 7/18 in 2017? I don't think so.
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Post by paradox on Aug 21, 2018 12:47:09 GMT
This is what happens when people are adamant that one part of the faction is best/good, and the rest is bad. 40 Bones lists 4 call of the wild, 21 Krueger 2 lists 16 Thorle 1 and 1's 2's of other casters, get ready for a Krueger2 nerf ladies and gents I really doubt that will be the case. I think its much more clear this is a reaction to the current state of Circle.
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Post by streetpizza on Aug 21, 2018 13:21:08 GMT
This is what happens when people are adamant that one part of the faction is best/good, and the rest is bad. 40 Bones lists 4 call of the wild, 21 Krueger 2 lists 16 Thorle 1 and 1's 2's of other casters, get ready for a Krueger2 nerf ladies and gents Heh ... yeah no. If you saw Circle with double the representation of the next closest faction AND was stacked with a single model type AND produced an unreasonable win rate then yes we'd see a K2 nerf. Right now we're middle to low in representation and the lack of representation of our other themes is more telling that they're seriously lacking. The only reason we see so much K2 is that bones is head and shoulders above our other themes and Kreuger does Bones best. The message here is that the circle CID can't come soon enough and PP would be well advised to also look at Wild Hunt and Secret Masters while they're at it. Other than Cryx badly needing some nerfs I'm waiting for win rate data from the event before drawing too many conclusions.
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Post by bloodhawk on Aug 21, 2018 16:57:00 GMT
Holy balls there are 3 slayers for every Cryx player...wtf? As far as Circle goes...it’s hard to bring anything other than call or Bones in a meta with all of that high arm heavy and BE spam nonsense. Our infantry just doesn’t deal with armore, period. CiD creep has not been kind to us at all. I think Bones and CotW are our best 2 themes, with Devo Host in 3rd. Having played Into the meta boogeyman (Gaspy3, Ossrum, Magnus2, PT) Only Bones And Call canhold thisr own against the raw statline of the models in those lists. This is quickly becoming a game where arm and Boxes are the most important stats you have, look at how boring some of those lists are? And yet, they are the best in the game currently. Not super excited for things after seeing this. It's this type of stuff that is just killing my enjoyment for the game at the moment. That and the fact that Circle is my favorite faction, and it feels like we are an afterthought by PP over and over again. I had so much momentum and was so ready for the CID around Lock & Load, and then no news of CID over and over just eroded my feelings. At this point I can't get excited about Circle until CID happens and we get some actual look at the future state of our factions.
I wonder if anyone else is dabbling in other factions at the moment. I myself have been enjoying a different play style with Trolls which has given me something to look forward to.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 21, 2018 17:36:26 GMT
I don't think Circle is an afterthought. Lots of factions means less attention to each one.
This CID seems like its getting a lot of models in.
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Post by snoozer on Aug 21, 2018 17:48:34 GMT
If anything, Wolds should show how much PP is ready to invest Circle. Tharn will be the "New hotness" and CoTW will actually be amazing if the Points drop like they stated (or even if it's just 1). I wonder how much people really just bring what other people bring because they use that. Kind of a chain reaktion, like how Tim Bankys Troll lists started poppig up her and there after he won with them.
I know this is bold to say, as it is the WTC lists, but everyone playing there is also just human and nobody want to disk too much there, right?
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Post by bloodhawk on Aug 21, 2018 18:52:14 GMT
One thing to think about is that not everyone has infinite amounts of time to playtest. With that in mind, it is very natural for people to copy lists that others are using as they have generally been already tested. I personally gave up a long time ago on trying to be "special" or "unique" in my builds. I don't have the time to come up with something super creative and make it work. Sure, in a casual environment I play whatever I want, but when it comes to competitive games, I am going to start with what has been proven to work and tweak if needed. I think my disappointment with the Circle CID is the seeming lack of accurate communication with timing. I am pretty sure the start of year CID insider talked about Circle being right after Protectorate. That has been untrue, and lead to expectations not being met. At the end of the day, it's always better to under promise and over deliver. I would have no concern about the timing if there wasn't an expectation created that ended up not being accurate. At this point it's sort of a boy who cried wolf situation, I will believe it when I see it
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Post by phantomsig on Aug 22, 2018 1:25:07 GMT
I will be holding off my opinion until every single theme has gone through a CID process, and PP have give the schedule for the following year's CIDs. This will take many years I imagine, but once every theme has had its CID, then we can start looking at statistics like the WTCs.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Aug 22, 2018 2:41:59 GMT
I will be holding off my opinion until every single theme has gone through a CID process, and PP have give the schedule for the following year's CIDs. This will take many years I imagine, but once every theme has had its CID, then we can start looking at statistics like the WTCs. so the game is, what? On pause until then? The WTCs from the start of Mk3 until 3ish year from now don't count, and tell us nothing about the meta? Seems like a questionable viewpoint.
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Post by phantomsig on Aug 22, 2018 3:26:43 GMT
It tells us what we already know, that there are discrepancies in Circle themes and casters. But we also know there is a CID around the corner (though arguments can be made against PP's comms on this).
Complaining about this will gain you nothing.
The game is enjoyable at the moment, limited in areas, but is moving in a direction that will resolve these limitations. The WTCs count for the current snapshot of the meta, but that snapshot will change in the next 3-6 months.
If you wanted to use the WTC to measure the direction of the metas, you would compare it to the previous year.
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Post by jisidro on Aug 22, 2018 8:48:50 GMT
I will be holding off my opinion until every single theme has gone through a CID process, and PP have give the schedule for the following year's CIDs. This will take many years I imagine, but once every theme has had its CID, then we can start looking at statistics like the WTCs. Holding your opinion on the game in general? Statistics have context. Looking at wtc 2014 in the context of MK3 themes isn't useful... At this point in time it is clear Cryx is dominant, worst it's multi-flavor cryx not just vannila cryx.
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