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Post by BarbeChenue on Apr 13, 2017 7:08:24 GMT
Greetings to you, denizens of the woods and worshipers of the Wurm,
A fiend of mine --who is a newer player-- was looking at recent tournament lists (mostly Una2 and Wurmwood) and told me he didn't quite understand how the Circle, warbeasts in particular, could match my Khador Heavy Warjacks. I'm playing quite a bit of ARM skew, to be honest: seven or more Juggernauts, Kodiaks and Marauders mostly, with a sprinkle of support units, all lead by Karchev -- the "Warjack warcaster".
Rather than give him erroneous information about a faction I have only cursory knowledge of, I came here, seeking answers. I hope the Blackclads among you will indulge in my curiosity and reveal me secrets beyond mortal understanding. In short: how does he kick my Khadoran ass?
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Post by macdaddy on Apr 13, 2017 11:24:01 GMT
Honestly I Don't play fair with Khador. I use casters like Mohsar and Krueger2 to eliminate a jack or 2 at a time and then Block up the rest. It's a tough fight but It's defanitekey doable Wurmwood has stranglehold which will just about crack khadoran jacks on a boost and turn one into a potatoe for a Turn. He has CoS which when combined with our other in faction buffs (primal, blessed) can really help out warpwolves punch through Jacks. I have been using hutvhuck lateley as well as rust bomb is amazing Keep him safe and he can help you crack the Khador jacks. Into Jack Spam I take the following:
Krueger 2:
-Warden (sometimes a pureblood I gave to change support around when I trade them out)
-Megalith
-Loki (Drag is amazing when playing into Khador)
-Feral
Hutchuck
2 Wayfarers
2 Sentry Stones
Gallows Grove
Shifting stones
This list Utilizes Feat, TK, and Gallows to pull in a jack or two, Kill it/them, and then push the rest away. It works pretty well I need to tweak it some more but I have success playing it into Khador. It also says screw you to Storm decision as lightning immunity is awesome (Great in a pairing as it makes your opponent play list chicken but you can sit comfortably with a Dedicated anti gunline pairing and not have to play list chicken) I play heavily on scenario with this list as well. It has a Terrifying scenario presence that in still working on getting the most out of.
I also play Mohsar with success
Moh
-Pureblood
-2 Woldwyrds
-Loki
-Gorax
2 Wayfarers
2 Gallows Groves
2 Sentry Stones
Shifting Stones
Max Bloodtrackers
Hutchuck sometimes finds his way into this. I'm still tweaking it. Pillars of salt make Jack lines cry. You can easily rope in a Heavy, Jam the rest with Pillars and just sit back. It's pretty obnoxious. Important to note: Bloodtrackers kill prayed heavies (Especially with CoS) I don't recommend Mohsar for a new circle player however. Krueger 2 and Wurmwood are pretty great. I put most of my playing time into Mohsar and Krueger though so I'll let someone with more Wurmwood experience comment on his tactics.
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Post by sirk on Apr 13, 2017 11:32:38 GMT
Against Khador jacks and Karchev in particular the most straightforward solution is still Kaya2 full battlegroup.
Since Kaya's threat is definitely longer, she would probably be able to alpha twice before any serious retaliation (even more so after getting Loki with drag), and what's left after the second alpha won't usually be enough to deal with the still full army.
Actually, if she also goes first, this is exactly the kind of game Kaya hopes to find.
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Post by whydak on Apr 13, 2017 11:35:22 GMT
Not pro either but in Kharchev vs Una2:
Scarsfell with Primal and free charge(hitting jack with hunters mark shoulnd't be problem) one griffon.
Makes 4 MAT 8 POW 14 attacks and 2 MAT 8 POW 13 ones. With flank is +2 to hit and additional damage dice.
Its 8dmg from charge, 4.6 for next beak and 3.6 for claws. Add Hand of fate to this and one rounding jack with 1 griffon is possible.
It requires other griffon to apply flank but definitely works. And he should be careful about countercharges.
Blotrackers with Hand of Fate also can make ton of work.
One guy in local meta have some sucesses against Jack spam with Kaya2, even better with Loki. Tannith and Kaya3 should be fine to.
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Post by greyknightv6 on Apr 18, 2017 16:53:12 GMT
I find you have to play unfairly into Khador "Heavy Spam". I'm generally seeing multiple heavies with 2 casters, Kharchev and Harkevich (I'm aware of B3 lists with 5+ heavies as well, but they are less of a problem IMHO). Generally my approach has been to use Krueger2 in combination with Loki, Pureblood, Gorax, Ghetorix and 2 Woldwyrds and Hutchuck. You can drag in a heavy with Loki, Rust it with Hutchuck and then smash is with Ghetorix. Then activate Krueger and TK back both Ghetto and Loki out of threat. Rinse and repeat.
Kharchev has to be really careful in the matchup because he has 2 upkeeps he likes to put on himself. So early on you use the Wyrds and Pureblood to start dropping WGRC, and then if the Karchev player attempts to block LOS to Kharchev, you TK a jack out of the way and shoot him to bits. On basic maths of 10 on 3D6, 14 on 4D6 each Woldwyrd will do 17 damage to Karchev with an upkeep on him.
One quick word of warning, both Karchev and Harkevich have jumpstart, so unless you can remove the cortex or movement from a jack, there is little point TK'ing them to face backwards (unless the TK place move puts them out of threat range obviously)
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Apr 19, 2017 3:48:01 GMT
I'm a guy who likes to Play Mixed (But Still Mostly Warjack) with Malakov 2. How would you say he fares?
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