Growl
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Post by Growl on Aug 10, 2018 3:00:52 GMT
Ok, here it goes;
Situation 1
Skarre1 FEATS and gets a Jack at plus 5 STR and Plus 5 ARM. On the following Turn, the opposing Warcaster manages to dominate that jack, does it still benefit from the bonus Str and Arm while under the other caster’s control? I figured yes, but my God that seems awfully dirty!
Situation 2
SPRAYS!!! Why are they such a pain in the ass sometimes. A huge based model is making a spray attack at a small based model. Center to center, the line crosses over an obstruction, but because of the huge base, LOS can be made from a portion of the Huge base’s front arc to the target model. For any other type of shot this doesn’t bother me, it has LOS, but in the case of the spray, it does have to pass over the obstruction. How should this have been resolved?
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Post by Gamingdevil on Aug 10, 2018 6:20:04 GMT
- You played it correctly. It's a single model and "target/choose friendly (faction)" only applies to the selecting part. Conditions are not constantly rechecked to see if a buff falls off. Note however that if the model was part of a unit that was affected by a "target model/unit" ability, the ability does fall off as the model is no longer part of the unit. Also see page 61, Control of Enemy Models.
On a side note: Domination is stupid and I hate Haley. - As long as the model has LoS, it works. Page 54 only cares about "the attacker's line of sight", it doesn't matter even if the spray itself is completely blocked, as long as the attacker can draw a line that doesn't pass through LoS-blocking terrain (models don't matter for sprays obviously).
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Growl
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Post by Growl on Aug 10, 2018 6:28:41 GMT
Thanks, so we actually played them right. I appreciate your very clear responses. The spray one in particular just feels so weird with how it actually looks on the table. In the end, it probably is not the the type of thing that will happen often, but guess it is the overall best way to make sense of it. Thanks again. The best part is that now I know and knowing is half the battle!
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 10, 2018 19:33:58 GMT
I'll have to do some digging that I shouldn't do right now, but I would swear that spray templates that go entirely through LOS-blocking terrain (stuff out down by spells does not qualify, but apparently clouds that are part of the terrain at the start of the game do, which is the wires detail that's makes me confident about this) are stopped. I think I ran into that on the pp forum while researching something else. I recommend going and searching that forum for this particular question.
I agree with GamingDevil about the feat and domination. Play more carefully!
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Post by gedditoffme on Aug 10, 2018 22:26:46 GMT
I'll have to do some digging that I shouldn't do right now, but I would swear that spray templates that go entirely through LOS-blocking terrain (stuff out down by spells does not qualify, but apparently clouds that are part of the terrain at the start of the game do, which is the wires detail that's makes me confident about this) are stopped. I think I ran into that on the pp forum while researching something else. I recommend going and searching that forum for this particular question. I've heard this one misquoted quite a bit after people hear about a mk2 errata that "stopped people spraying through terrain" or some other such summary. It doesn't do that, the rule in question is simple (copy & paste from Prime pg 54) "A model under the spray template cannot be hit by the attack if the attacker’s line of sight to it is completely blocked by terrain." This has since had an errata of its own (not relevant in this case, but for completeness) "Ignore cloud effect terrain when determining if the attacker’s line of sight is completely blocked to a model under a spray template." Had many arguments about cephalyx overlords being able to spray through terrain (since they ignore line of sight, they can spray through anything). If the attacker can see around the terrain, or over it (via a hill), or through it (via phantom seeker or something) it is ok. |
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 10, 2018 23:11:42 GMT
I will be greatly relieved if you are right. I found the distinction between clouds very disturbing. On further thought, I think I got that from a busy of mine after he came back from a Con. I will have to dig into it to satisfy my own curiosity.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 12, 2018 15:35:50 GMT
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juckto
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Post by juckto on Aug 14, 2018 10:44:01 GMT
Jeez, what I wrote in that thread sounds like gibberish now.
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Grimolf
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Post by Grimolf on Aug 14, 2018 16:26:57 GMT
I'll have to do some digging that I shouldn't do right now, but I would swear that spray templates that go entirely through LOS-blocking terrain (stuff out down by spells does not qualify, but apparently clouds that are part of the terrain at the start of the game do, which is the wires detail that's makes me confident about this) are stopped. I think I ran into that on the pp forum while researching something else. I recommend going and searching that forum for this particular question. I've heard this one misquoted quite a bit after people hear about a mk2 errata that "stopped people spraying through terrain" or some other such summary. It doesn't do that, the rule in question is simple (copy & paste from Prime pg 54) "A model under the spray template cannot be hit by the attack if the attacker’s line of sight to it is completely blocked by terrain." This has since had an errata of its own (not relevant in this case, but for completeness) "Ignore cloud effect terrain when determining if the attacker’s line of sight is completely blocked to a model under a spray template." Had many arguments about cephalyx overlords being able to spray through terrain (since they ignore line of sight, they can spray through anything). If the attacker can see around the terrain, or over it (via a hill), or through it (via phantom seeker or something) it is ok. This is what I’ve been playing too. Cephalyx Overlords ignore LOS on their sprays, so they can spray through buildings or more than 3” of forests. The rules for sprays only stop the spray if LOS cannot be drawn from the attacker to the defender. |
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