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Post by davycannonhound on Aug 8, 2018 20:33:48 GMT
So, reading through discussion of PT on Foreverblight’s post, I saw that a lot of people don’t think that PT has a high enough model count, and that most lists end up being cookie cutter.
While I don’t think this is necessarily 100% true, there is some truth to that (personally I think Ravens has it worse as far as cookie cutter is concerned).
So, with that in mind:
What are some suggestions for Primal Terrors models?
My initial thoughts would be:
A character Ogrun unit.
A ranged rotwing unit with a single-shot debuff gun.
Character Ogrun lesser warlock that only takes heavies
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Post by gordo on Aug 8, 2018 21:16:36 GMT
Ogrun Nephilim
Blighted Ogrun Coven (casting unit?)
Blighted Ogrun Ambushers
Disciples of Thagrosh (solos that preach for the Prophet/Messiah, inspiring nearby troops)
Ogrun Blightcarriers
Blighted Bokurs
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Post by gordo on Aug 8, 2018 21:19:06 GMT
It also feels like with a name like "Primal Terrors" that there should be more "monsters" available to it, like the Hellmouths (fluff wise, why are they in this theme???). So...
Blighted Wolves
Blighted Bears
Blight Mutants
Also, Ogrun Beastcaller
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Post by gordo on Aug 8, 2018 21:32:53 GMT
I'm seriously jealous of the Cryx Black Ogrun, who basically seem like better in every way (Cryx favoritism??? Never!), So to that end...
Ogrun Blightbelchers
Ogrun Beastmongers
Blighted Ogrun Raiding Party
Blighted Ogrun Marauders
Blightgorgers
Blightcage
And so on...
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Post by novaspike on Aug 9, 2018 6:36:40 GMT
Cryx is a bad example. Black Ogrun were terrible since they came out. It's only with a ton of new releases (and CID) they're decent.
I feel like spellcasting ogrun isn't gonna be a thing. Maybe a unit that heals warrior models? Carrion crew or something.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Aug 9, 2018 12:29:38 GMT
shield wall unit. Sick of seeing Arm 23 shock troopers and cinerators walking around as "balanced". I can't even throw heavy warbeasts at the dam things and kill one or two.
If they can have that without a 32 point armor buff and them being as cheap as warmongers. I want a set too.
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Post by gordo on Aug 9, 2018 12:45:01 GMT
shield wall unit. Sick of seeing Arm 23 shock troopers and cinerators walking around as "balanced". I can't even throw heavy warbeasts at the dam things and kill one or two. If they can have that without a 32 point armor buff and them being as cheap as warmongers. I want a set too. While I agree that Shield Wall is awesome and annoying, I doubt the designers consider it "Legion". Too slow, too static. Course, they make our Ogrun Spd 5 and Cryx Ogrun Spd 6, and cheaper, with guns, but sure... |
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Post by rivers on Aug 9, 2018 13:14:58 GMT
Yeah I mean we have an entire slow sector of stuff, we could totally get a high ARM ogrun unit to anchor zones and not have it be weird or "not Legion" at this point. The entire theme is technically slow by raw stats (even if between chosen and gorag you can get moving faster than you think, but still). They made the carnivean chassis slower. Raw speed isn't truly our niche anymore as other factions pick up more and more ways to outspeed us, or get so tanky it doesn't matter that they're slow.
I've mentioned most of my thoughts in the other thread, but here's some other ideas I haven't said or others haven't already here:
Native Proteus access (he's pretty terrifying right?)
Trollkin Warders Shield Guard Ogrun Unit
Something with Sanguine Bond (and a touch more ARM) maybe?
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Post by gordo on Aug 9, 2018 14:49:01 GMT
Regarding "high armor" Ogrun and not being "Legion", I genuinely don't think the devs have any vision what so ever regarding the faction, but... Your point is valid.
Warmongers get blood drinking, so I suppose they could double down on that and make a unit that gets corpse tokens. Kind of like the Gator-pot, in that they give them to other people. I could see them all decked out in the bones and body parts of their enemies.
And again, I would love to see Nephilim Ogrun. Bigger Nephilim birthed from Ogrun women. They could be the "budget heavy" we've been longing for... Fury 3, using weapons, eyeless sight but no Pathfinder or flight. Dunno...
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Post by danx on Aug 9, 2018 16:32:34 GMT
I think there are enough units and variety. The only thing I don't like is Forsaken being included. I'd like some Beast Handling Ogryn that was not as good as a forsaken, at beast wrangling, but like a fighting shepherd. I do think that we need the forsaken just for solo variety. Its OK as it is though. Its restrictive, but still fun.
This could be a 3 man unit of ogryn or a solo - who all have some fury helping mechanic. Or control frenzy mechanic, and who are good in a fight?
I would quite like all beasts within 1" loose a fury during maintence. (I think Druid Wilder has something similar)
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Post by gobber on Aug 9, 2018 19:11:36 GMT
Ogrun can't cast spells without an athanc shard which restricts these support unit ideas. A lesser warlock character solo could work, but ogrun providing lesser magical effects seems unlikely to be something they'll break fluff on
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Post by thelat on Aug 9, 2018 22:39:29 GMT
It's a shame we already have Forsaken, because I'd love an ogrun so loaded with blight that it's ready to explode.
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Post by davycannonhound on Aug 9, 2018 23:29:27 GMT
Ogrun can't cast spells without an athanc shard which restricts these support unit ideas. A lesser warlock character solo could work, but ogrun providing lesser magical effects seems unlikely to be something they'll break fluff on As far as I know Anamag already had magic before her athabc shard. So, magic ogrun aren’t impossible, but highly unlikely. |
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Post by gobber on Aug 10, 2018 0:51:41 GMT
Ogrun can't cast spells without an athanc shard which restricts these support unit ideas. A lesser warlock character solo could work, but ogrun providing lesser magical effects seems unlikely to be something they'll break fluff on As far as I know Anamag already had magic before her athabc shard. So, magic ogrun aren’t impossible, but highly unlikely. Nqp #5: “with this gift, anamag gained the ability to wield magic, which had so long been denied her.” PP has been very clear that ogrun can’t have the natural gift. |
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