Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Aug 5, 2018 14:26:20 GMT
That poor ???storm raptor??? Blightbringer. no free charge, no vengeance(crap was in the way) broken open fist, feat turn. I just hulksmashed it.
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Aug 6, 2018 6:21:37 GMT
Good rolls, sure, but that's where Fire trends now with Kreoss. Also, I would not think of the Blightbringer as the standard against which we should apply such heavy cracking potential. He has his own issues.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 6, 2018 10:34:20 GMT
Good rolls, sure, but that's where Fire trends now with Kreoss. Also, I would not think of the Blightbringer as the standard against which we should apply such heavy cracking potential. He has his own issues. Arm 19 54 Boxes is a pretty tough cookie for a 14 point heavy to one round. I would say that’s a pretty good gauge of how hard he hits. Even if it requires some spikes. Can he chew through boxes at a high arm value? Yes and with just Battle! S&P is pretty great for getting those spikes needed to finish a big target.
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Post by chillychinaman on Aug 6, 2018 21:24:53 GMT
Anyone else consider trying the Errant officer with Malekus or shooting jacks in general? I am aware that 5" is pretty narrow band to tow, but between Self-sacrifice and their potential speed with AD and Gravus, I think it's worth testing. Failing that, I can see Repenters getting mileage from it.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 6, 2018 21:43:17 GMT
Anyone else consider trying the Errant officer with Malekus or shooting jacks in general? I am aware that 5" is pretty narrow band to tow, but between Self-sacrifice and their potential speed with AD and Gravus, I think it's worth testing. Failing that, I can see Repenters getting mileage from it. I was thinking of running 2 min Units with UA with Sevvy1 and a Judicator for Rat 4 Rocketpods. The issue of course, is the pow 10 S&P Blast Damage
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on Aug 7, 2018 13:00:39 GMT
My issue is that the minimum investment is still something like 13 points for the single mark target model. I think you're better off just taking another big gun.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 7, 2018 13:11:41 GMT
My issue is that the minimum investment is still something like 13 points for the single mark target model. I think you're better off just taking another big gun. Well yeah I would agree, but I do want to try it to see if mark target in faction is actually worth it. You know thinking about it, I would have loved to give mark target to the errant senny, and give Unyielding benefit to the UA...
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Post by paradox on Aug 7, 2018 13:38:56 GMT
My issue is that the minimum investment is still something like 13 points for the single mark target model. I think you're better off just taking another big gun. Well yeah I would agree, but I do want to try it to see if mark target in faction is actually worth it. You know thinking about it, I would have loved to give mark target to the errant senny, and give Unyielding benefit to the UA... I'd say Mark Target is always good and never bad to have. That said, this happens to live on a model that is expensive and somewhat difficult to apply. It's also in a theme that tends to not really bring lots of guns (EI). It's probably the most passive way possible to add a +2 to hit back to Menite jacks at ranged. Guess that one bad-touched people.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 7, 2018 13:51:10 GMT
Well yeah I would agree, but I do want to try it to see if mark target in faction is actually worth it. You know thinking about it, I would have loved to give mark target to the errant senny, and give Unyielding benefit to the UA... I'd say Mark Target is always good and never bad to have. That said, this happens to live on a model that is expensive and somewhat difficult to apply. It's also in a theme that tends to not really bring lots of guns (EI). It's probably the most passive way possible to add a +2 to hit back to Menite jacks at ranged. Guess that one bad-touched people. If it was on the errant senny I could totally see running malekus as a combine arms caster in EI. Poor melekus, so close to being great, yet so far. I mean imagine the +3 rat swing on our jacks? It makes open fire worth it!
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on Aug 7, 2018 15:43:07 GMT
The point of that mark target is pretty much solely to interact with quick work being on that one unit. If you're not making use out of it in that context there are much better ways to hit fix (kreoss1 feat, flare, aim, incite, brand of heresy, curse... the list goes on and on)
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Post by paradox on Aug 7, 2018 15:45:30 GMT
The point of that mark target is pretty much solely to interact with quick work being on that one unit. If you're not making use out of it in that context there are much better ways to hit fix (kreoss1 feat, flare, aim, incite, brand of heresy, curse... the list goes on and on) Not sure I agree. How often are your other EE SHOOTING models with Quick Work shots that are within 5” of the CA?
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chuggyg
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Post by chuggyg on Aug 7, 2018 18:20:12 GMT
When you're going in on another unit and targetting the stragglers its a lot more common (and practical) than running your entire 13+ point unit to get a +2 to hit for a couple of warjacks or whatever.
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Post by paradox on Aug 7, 2018 19:58:09 GMT
When you're going in on another unit and targetting the stragglers its a lot more common (and practical) than running your entire 13+ point unit to get a +2 to hit for a couple of warjacks or whatever. I guess we play pretty different then.
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Post by chillychinaman on Aug 8, 2018 18:54:13 GMT
If it was on the errant senny I could totally see running malekus as a combine arms caster in EI. Poor melekus, so close to being great, yet so far. I mean imagine the +3 rat swing on our jacks? It makes open fire worth it! The main problem I see with that is alone the Senny would be a pretty vulnerable target. At least the Officer will have the the rest of the unit to take shots for him. I generally try to take Errants anyway to pressure objectives/zones with AD and feel that 4pts isn't too bad for what he brings, especially now that they've fixed Purity. How about combining Mark with marshalled Repenters for RAT9 POW14 sprays or Senny0 for RAT8 POW15? This is off-topic, but I wish we had a flame thrower equipped heavy. A repenter can do work fully buffed, but would really appreciate a heavy that could also provide some close support. I guess the Vanquisher is kinda close for this role.
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Post by macdaddy on Aug 8, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
If it was on the errant senny I could totally see running malekus as a combine arms caster in EI. Poor melekus, so close to being great, yet so far. I mean imagine the +3 rat swing on our jacks? It makes open fire worth it! The main problem I see with that is alone the Senny would be a pretty vulnerable target. At least the Officer will have the the rest of the unit to take shots for him. I generally try to take Errants anyway to pressure objectives/zones with AD and feel that 4pts isn't too bad for what he brings, especially now that they've fixed Purity. How about combining Mark with marshalled Repenters for RAT9 POW14 sprays or Senny0 for RAT8 POW15? This is off-topic, but I wish we had a flame thrower equipped heavy. A repenter can do work fully buffed, but would really appreciate a heavy that could also provide some close support. I guess the Vanquisher is kinda close for this role. Because investing 3-4 points for mark target on a single solo not bound to a unit is way better than investing 13+ points for a single officer who is bound to an expensive unit. You could marshal repenters, but then you lose the benefits of open fire (which gets good when you get into the "don't need to boost" stat levels like rat 9 and pow 14 or 15 so kind of depressing) and then you are just eating into non BG points for what I consider to be a rough sell at no focus, a single spray, and in competition with things like Gravvus or Knights Exemplars. I like repenters under sevvy0, but it would be a bit of a hard sell to marshal them, AND bring sevvy0 in the themes where our marshals are actually allowed. Especially since our jack casters have lots of BG centric abilities.
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