Wondering what you thought was the best battle Box? By this I mean the caster (and jacks / beasts) being usable competitively, and also representative of the faction.
I have played a league with Child and Magnus (I know: not real battle boxes, but still), and I think Child is probably one of the better ones - definitely usable competitively and other than the single frightmare pretty representative of Grymkin play style. Probably a bit OP for a battlebox (since you're basically a heavy up at the start).
Magnus is ok: not complete crap, but the battlegroup is strong, and it is good enough to dip the toe in mercs.
I also play Cryx, and get the impression Agathea is middle of the pack - she is usable but not outstanding, her spells are pretty standard cryx staples, and her battlegroup is definitely reusable in other lists. I can see some use competitively - combining a stealth feat with debuffs creates a niche for Cryx, and her interesting "Bane" typing gives her prowl in Dark Host or enables desecrators in a non-Bane list. Not sure she beats out the top competition though.
As a rough ranking Competitive: Child
Average: Agathea ... Magnus
Underwhelming: Xekaar (just going to put this here, no experience, but I'm sure he will land here anyway)
I broke ties like Tanith vs Ragnor in favor of which one adds more of what their faction needed. Also, this is only my opinion of relative power level. They all serve pretty well as introductions to their respective factions, except maybe Kryssa, who is pretty different from the other Legion warlocks.
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Are you asking about the relative strength of battlebox casters in a journeyman league, or about the relative strength of battleboxes for battlebox-on-battlebox matches?
Probably more the former, but bbox vs bbox is a pretty significant part of the Journeyman league, especially over first few weeks.
Also curious about the reusability of the models in the battlebox, and how good a feel it gives for the faction. This is important since it is kind of the whole point of the battlebox casters (who near universally are not tournament level casters - Child possibly exempted)
Worth remembering that the mercs battlebox casters (without boxes) are Magnus1 or Ossrum, and Ossrum is (one of?) the best casters in mercs.
For Khador, Kozlov is decent in a journeyman format. Like several other journeyman league casters, he's better once you start adding units (although in the early weeks he has a quite significant personal threat, as you can make him a P+S15 weaponmaster). He also now has a theme which plays to his strengths (Armored Corps).
He's definitely reusable, the problem is that Khador has lots of good AC theme casters, which puts him up against strong competition for reusability. Irusk1 and 2, Vlad1 and 2 are all good in that theme, and they are strong Khador casters.
I agree that xekaar is one of the worst warlocks,but he actually works a lot better at lower point games. It's only when you get to 75 point games that his frailty really hamstrings him. Plus, his character beast is amazing
Ragnor is amazing and stays amazing throughout growing game size (technically becomes better and better the further you go away from having 3 lights and no Krielstone). Simple but very effective and has answers in lots of matchupts. All while having 30 Warbeast points.
I just started with circle and bought the battle box. I have to say, tanith feels REALLY good. She's got a wide selection of spells and can deal with a lot of different situations and I imagine she would be good in bigger games as well. On top of that she is a blast to play. I'm getting more battle boxes, but so far my top picks are; 1:tanith, 2:ragnor and 3:kozlov.
I think it's worth noting that while Ragnor is a great Trollblood caster, the battle box being restricted to lights does kind of suck. You will find a use for all the models in later competitive lists, but the battle box games themselves will mostly be uphill battles.
Yeah, it's too bad that any Heavy Troll that could be included either requires extremely weak Lights or is bringing pillows to the fight on its own. In a way, its the exact opposite issue from Khador where they only have one Light, and it's tied to a specific 'Caster.
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Post by deathbymelancholy on Oct 5, 2018 11:53:32 GMT
I actually think Ragnor is a pretty amazing Warlock all around. He suffers from burnout on two fronts, one he's a battlebox caster and newer players want to move on after the JM league, and two he was freakin' ubiquitous in mkii competitive play thanks to people like Jay Larsen ( ) stomping him all over everybnody, so older players didn't want to use him anymore for awhile either.
But he has an exceptional toolkit, great survivability so he's pretty forgiving, and adds value on both sides of the offense/defense equation. I never played a Troll JM since the original Madrak1 box and was a Merc/Ret player through much of mkii. Coming to him as a fresh option and not restricted by burnout, that guy is really good.
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From personal experience in JM league Kozlov and Ossrum are both really good. Ossrum is great in general too, where I think Kozlov is subpar, or at least outshined in faction. I havent faced Kozlov in AC though, that might change his rating.
Ragnor was used in MKii competetive play? I thought he was released with MKiii