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Post by ForEver_Blight on Jul 23, 2018 17:20:31 GMT
I know I'm weird. But I hate assassination victories. You don't have to tell me that's an unreasonable idea to hold. It's a legitimate way to win the game.
The majority of all my recent games have been assassination victories. Madrak 1, Nemo, Bearka, Sorscha 3, Aurora, and more I'm forgetting. All the games I had 0 chance on scenario and attrition was clearly not in my favor.
Is it just me? Or are you guys finding that to be your primary source of victory condition?
Or am I playing with a weird bunch?
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Hashmal
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 23, 2018 17:43:19 GMT
I'd say it depends. Several of the 'casters you listed are scenario monsters. And I don't know what you were playing. Sometimes your out against an army that does scenario and/or attrition better than you is having a live assassination threat. That doesn't mean that's how all games are resolved, and I'd hold that assassination is the key to keeping games from being only scenario-focused slugfests, at which some factions/'casters are just inherently better than others.
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rivers
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Post by rivers on Jul 23, 2018 17:52:44 GMT
I find Legion has a hard time staying relevant on scenario (very little soft control elements, almost zero hard control) compared to other factions, while still having a very strong to above average assassination threat (lots of access to wings, decent scalpeling tools, a myriad of caster independent hit buffs; one of which also has nonlinear threat extention backed into it to boot). I'd love to see legion get some new models or reworks to existing models that allow us to have a real reliable scenario caster, especially as Steamroller continues to be more and more live. I suspect however that this assassination/scalpel style design is part of their vision for modern Legion. We have a few oddball setups - attrition heavy Kallus1 builds (which if it goes first also is not too bad at scoring an early lead in scenario in my experience), the occasional super tanky Thagrosh1 or Anamag list, but most of the time I'm just looking to have enough pieces on the field to not immediately lose on scenario while fishing for a good kill. There are some opponents you can get ahead with if you go first and bully them off the zones, but most factions seem to do it better than us.
TL;DR - you're not wrong; Legion has a very subpar scenario game across most "good" lists and has a very above average assassination potential across our various models and tools.
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eauc
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Post by eauc on Jul 23, 2018 18:46:31 GMT
This happened to me too. 3 ways I got out of this state : 1/ play lists with outrageous caster kill vectors. Surprinsigly when you have a enormous assassination threat, opponents do everything they can to protect their wardudes, which leaves you much more room to play scenario/attrition. When they have to dedicate 50% of their list to a defensive/passive role, suddenly the attrition game becomes easier. Most of the time when I was losing on attrition/scenario it was in part because I wasn't able to project enough of an assassination threat across the board (it's not always feasible/easy). My lists with the most powerful assassination vectors were finally the ones that won most games on attrition/scenario (against good players). 2/ play Anamag + Ogruns. There. You have 0 assassination threat, so if you want to win it'll have to be some other way 3/ play against more prudent opponents, or make them be more prudent. I mean, seriously, sometimes it's just that the guys in front of you just played the perfect scenario/attrition game, but didn't protect their wardude enough (aka overextend). If you punish them often enough, people will play more defensively, letting you more room do play other games. I've found out it's a circle and regularly my gamer communities would shift to a more aggressive play... it's the Legion players' job to regulate this phase and to "make shield guards great value again"
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