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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 12, 2018 10:56:23 GMT
I know I said I was going to play Karchev next, but I've been having trouble finding time to work on the model, so I've been thinking of trying Andrei 2 instead (I would proxy my Andrei 1 model, it's just for casual games). I threw together a list using models I already own, it's looking like this right now:
Andrei 2
- Spriggan
- Juggernaut
- Sylyss
Nyss Hunters
- Valachev
Doomreavers
Max battle mechanics
- Officer
The idea is that the Battle Mechanics stay back as sucker targets, and/or repair jacks after the feat. The Doomreavers run up all stealthy-like with Sneak and Veil. Nyss Hunters probably get Reposition to play silly hit-and-run games.
I probably don't need Sylyss with only two jacks, do I? I could drop him and some mechanics for some Kayazy Eliminators (I hear they're good with Andrei), and the point left over would let me upgrade the Spriggan to Beast 09? I wanted to add the Greylord Escort instead of the Battle Mechanic Officer but I don't have the model. I was also thinking a Tanker would be the best Sucker target ever for Andrei, but I don't have one... yet...
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 12, 2018 16:09:58 GMT
I feel like Viktor should be a sure-fire one here. He doesn't benefit from the feat much, but Open Fire is just mean
Your sneaky Doom Reaver plan is delightful, and I can confirm that Eliminators are pretty darn great with him.
I've not tried the Nyss but the plan seems sound. Another unit to try is the Shocktroopers; they love Tactical Supremacy and he loves super hard Sucker! targets.
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 12, 2018 17:34:24 GMT
I play a similar list myself, minus the doom reavers. Sylys is actually very important because Malakov is such a focus pig that that extra 1 counts for a quite a bit.
I would also advise you to put yourself in Wolves of Winter unless there is a specific reason you're playing out of theme. If you bought the escort and swapped him in for the officer, you could also take a free forge seer.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 12, 2018 18:37:39 GMT
I feel like Viktor should be a sure-fire one here. He doesn't benefit from the feat much, but Open Fire is just mean Your sneaky Doom Reaver plan is delightful, and I can confirm that Eliminators are pretty darn great with him. I've not tried the Nyss but the plan seems sound. Another unit to try is the Shocktroopers; they love Tactical Supremacy and he loves super hard Sucker! targets. I do not have any colossals or MOW units (have a few solos), but I was just thinking that Andy 2 with a couple of Colossals does a lot of what Harkevich does with them (he can manage +2 movement and and two or even three -with Sylyss- extra shots), but he has a lot more tricks than Hark and can support a larger number and wider variety of models. |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 12, 2018 18:46:20 GMT
I play a similar list myself, minus the doom reavers. Sylys is actually very important because Malakov is such a focus pig that that extra 1 counts for a quite a bit. Good to know, guess I'll leave him in then. I would also advise you to put yourself in Wolves of Winter unless there is a specific reason you're playing out of theme. If you bought the escort and swapped him in for the officer, you could also take a free forge seer. Oh, that's interesting! I didn't realise that the posted list was actually a legal Wolves list! I just threw it into Conflict Chamber and I don't get any free cards, but Apparition on the Doomreavers would be very good. Hmm, if my gaming group does end up playing in themes then I might start with this one. After a bit of mucking about on Conflict Chamber I was able to remove Valachev, add a Forgeseer, then re-attach Valachev for free. Nice! The Forgeseer should be much more useful than a Mechanic Officer. Khador Army - 50 / 50 points
[Theme] Wolves of Winter
[Malakov 2] Kommander Andrei Malakov [+28]
- Juggernaut [13]
- Spriggan [17]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker [4]
Greylord Forge Seer [4]
Battle Mechaniks (max) [5]
Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19]
- Koldun Kapitan Valachev [0(4)]
Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13]
- Greylord Escort [3] |
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 13, 2018 11:52:33 GMT
The other advantage Malakov gets in wolves of winter is that by putting escort out for free, you can run jacks turn 1 before malakov activates, and then open fire with them when malakov goes. Not really useful in your list, but if you were running a colossal...
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Post by welshhoppo on Jul 13, 2018 12:18:30 GMT
But I thought you hated themes?
Anyway, Veil allows your doom reavers to get into weird positions without worrying about the free strikes.
Give it a good, it looks fun!
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 13, 2018 12:38:43 GMT
Yeah I don't run doom reavers myself but Fenris with backstrike + all the things malakov has to deliver him there is real nasty
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 13, 2018 12:42:11 GMT
But I thought you hated themes? Anyway, Veil allows your doom reavers to get into weird positions without worrying about the free strikes. Give it a good, it looks fun! I don't like how you basically HAVE to play in theme, and how restrictive they are (I tend to like running loads of random crap rather than three of the same/similar unit). And until this thread I didn't believe I even HAD the models to run a decent-sized list in theme (well, short of spamming jacks). My gaming group is not currently playing themes, however, there is a possibility that they might be interested in starting. One big reason is that one of our players was big into Gators in MkII, and in MkIII they got seriously nerfed except in one theme (as I understand it). I mean, MAT 6? Really? So yeah, I feel like he really SHOULD play in theme. So if my group does start playing in themes, and I'm playing a theme-legal list anyway, then why not? I don't intend to run out and invest several hundred dollars to play Armoured Core or something though. Does Veil prevent freestrikes? I didn't notice anything in the wording about that? |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 13, 2018 12:49:48 GMT
The other advantage Malakov gets in wolves of winter is that by putting escort out for free, you can run jacks turn 1 before malakov activates, and then open fire with them when malakov goes. Not really useful in your list, but if you were running a colossal... Again, something that Harkevich can't even do... |
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 13, 2018 13:44:13 GMT
But I thought you hated themes? Anyway, Veil allows your doom reavers to get into weird positions without worrying about the free strikes. Give it a good, it looks fun! I don't like how you basically HAVE to play in theme, and how restrictive they are (I tend to like running loads of random crap rather than three of the same/similar unit). And until this thread I didn't believe I even HAD the models to run a decent-sized list in theme (well, short of spamming jacks). My gaming group is not currently playing themes, however, there is a possibility that they might be interested in starting. One big reason is that one of our players was big into Gators in MkII, and in MkIII they got seriously nerfed except in one theme (as I understand it). I mean, MAT 6? Really? So yeah, I feel like he really SHOULD play in theme. So if my group does start playing in themes, and I'm playing a theme-legal list anyway, then why not? I don't intend to run out and invest several hundred dollars to play Armoured Core or something though. Does Veil prevent freestrikes? I didn't notice anything in the wording about that? The Feat gives all your models Parry. |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 13, 2018 13:51:54 GMT
Right, so you take freestrikes normally, but not on feat turn. Cool.
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Post by chuggyg on Jul 13, 2018 14:42:17 GMT
There are a couple of other ways to cheat a guy into the back arc. The easiest one using doom reavers would be to charge in with one guy, tuck him against the edge of the targets front arc to block line of sight, and then charge your next guy slightly past. I'll draw a diagram up later if you have no idea what I mean
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 13, 2018 15:37:16 GMT
There are a couple of other ways to cheat a guy into the back arc. The easiest one using doom reavers would be to charge in with one guy, tuck him against the edge of the targets front arc to block line of sight, and then charge your next guy slightly past. I'll draw a diagram up later if you have no idea what I mean I think I get what you're saying. I'll have to keep an eye out for opportunities for that sort of thing. |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 17, 2018 5:46:57 GMT
I've been idly thinking about jank with Andy, and I've come up with a stupid idea:
Beast 09 with Reposition under Escort tramples and repos 12" through stuff with Veil (from last turn I guess), engaging their caster from 14" away. Andy then uses Open Fire to allow Beast to make one attack; at MAT 8 Murderous it likely hits, and has a decent chance of triggering the crit to leave their caster stationary. At that point it would be nice if you could get some more damage into them; arcing fire would probably help.
Trading Beast 09 for a single attack is a stupid idea right? But perhaps not quite so stupid as it initially appears... now they have to kill him, which likely means turning at least one heavy around. And a heavy that's looking the other way is a heavy you can use Throat Cutter on! Maybe, depends on board positioning and how careful your opponent is.
Stupid idea? Well... yes. I'm wondering if it's it worth it with a cheap jack like a Berserker though, that could at least be worth testing. Or if you're going to use something expensive then whether the Feat could keep it alive (and I still doubt it would actually be worth it in most instances).
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