bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 12, 2018 13:21:33 GMT
Regardless of the mistake made, I have heard/read quite a lot of negative feedback from the Mirage scenario. BRs like these should shine a light on the issues with the scenario. Hopefully something will be done about it in the near future.
Your shadows list didn't quite seem like the right drop against what your Legion opponent brought against you. Do you feel a two list choice would have been a better way to play?
On a side note, I do appreciate the time you put into the BRs. They definitely helped me understand the questions that will be asked of me by other factions.
Do you have plans to try out Ravyn or the trident in the near future?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 12, 2018 13:38:01 GMT
Regardless of the mistake made, I have heard/read quite a lot of negative feedback from the Mirage scenario. BRs like these should shine a light on the issues with the scenario. Hopefully something will be done about it in the near future. Your shadows list didn't quite seem like the right drop against what your Legion opponent brought against you. Do you feel a two list choice would have been a better way to play? On a side note, I do appreciate the time you put into the BRs. They definitely helped me understand the questions that will be asked of me by other factions. Do you have plans to try out Ravyn or the trident in the near future? I told him I wanted to test these two lists, he said "play Vyros", he then put his list on the table ( I've never played anamag since she's the hot new thing everyone in my meta is just picking up) and i'm like "so what does she do?" he says "oh, her feat is grievous and +2 damage" me " Firetruck me".
I've got a Trident list I'll try to get in a game but Ravyn and 4shade aren't currently in my plans. If Gaston can convince his wife to let him play with toy soldiers we can get some CID games in this weekend
The Trident list is as follows :
[Rahn 1] Adeptis Rahn [+26] - Chimera [8] - Imperatus [20] Arcanist Mechanik [0(2)] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Arcanist Mechanik [2] Dawnguard Sentinel Scyir [0(4)] - Harpy [9] Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress [0(4)] Dawnguard Sentinels (max) [17] - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard [4] - Soulless Escort (1) [1] Dawnguard Sentinels (max) [17] - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard [4] - Soulless Escort (1) [1] Dawnguard Trident [16]
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 12, 2018 16:18:36 GMT
Rahn in dawnguard....I must say, I'm intrigued. I've always ran him in Forges with all the mages and marshaled Hydras. Can't wait to see how it goes.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 12, 2018 16:22:30 GMT
Rahn in dawnguard....I must say, I'm intrigued. I've always ran him in Forges with all the mages and marshaled Hydras. Can't wait to see how it goes. The theory I have is that if you just stall the game long enough with Rahns control and sentinels with a polarity fielded Trident that you can just keep imperatus back until you can pull off a TK on enemy caster.
Would go something like this:
Run in chimera, pop feat, TK enemy caster 2" and backwards, TK imperatus, slipstream imperatus, hunters mark caster, charge fully loaded imperatus. Total threat without sidesteps of 19" to a backwards facing caster.
Worth testing out I'd say
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Post by elladan52 on Jul 12, 2018 17:38:35 GMT
And, to be fair, 19" is a conservative estimate. As the game winds down it gets harder and harder for the opposing player to avoid a chimera behind them for a force blast or whatever the push spell is.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 12, 2018 17:53:25 GMT
And, to be fair, 19" is a conservative estimate. As the game winds down it gets harder and harder for the opposing player to avoid a chimera behind them for a force blast or whatever the push spell is. Apperate 2, run 12, arc TK 8"... So you have to keep your caster 19" from imperatus and/or 22" from chimera that's just chillin behind sentinels or a wall or something waiting for his time to shine.
I hate playing vs a Rahn that hasn't popped feat yet, so this should be fun... lol
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2018 11:47:18 GMT
So with your future plans to use the trident; what are the stats of it? I don't have access to CID. Unless you could point me to a public source you know of...
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Post by falkman on Jul 13, 2018 11:58:38 GMT
So with your future plans to use the trident; what are the stats of it? I don't have access to CID. Unless you could point me to a public source you know of... The CID document is available in the FB group.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2018 13:03:45 GMT
So with your future plans to use the trident; what are the stats of it? I don't have access to CID. Unless you could point me to a public source you know of... The CID document is available in the FB group. Well I'll just have to wait then I guess. I'm not a Facebook person.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Jul 13, 2018 13:52:59 GMT
The CID document is available in the FB group. Well I'll just have to wait then I guess. I'm not a Facebook person. I got you fam
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2018 15:22:26 GMT
Thank you good sir. After looking at the stats, I'm not sure how this is OP. Yes, it has nice abilities and has a good synergistic nature, but I wouldn't call it OP. Another battle engine with great abilities that springs to mind is the CoC's TEP. It can have up to 5 spray attacks per activation, consistently. Or use its servitors to boost attacks when needed. Where as the trident attacks a situational and luck based d3 roll. Then you have the Trollbloods battle engine, which can practically mow over whole units in a single activation, and then still get to shoot do to dual attack. So no, I don't agree with those that say it is OP; It's not bad to have nice things.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jul 13, 2018 15:34:14 GMT
Thank you good sir. After looking at the stats, I'm not sure how this is OP. Yes, it has nice abilities and has a good synergistic nature, but I wouldn't call it OP. Another battle engine with great abilities that springs to mind is the CoC's TEP. It can have up to 5 spray attacks per activation, consistently. Or use its servitors to boost attacks when needed. Where as the trident attacks a situational and luck based d3 roll. Then you have the Trollbloods battle engine, which can practically mow over whole units in a single activation, and then still get to shoot do to dual attack. So no, I don't agree with those that say it is OP; It's not bad to have nice things. You have to consider what it can do with various casters. And yes d3 is random, but when you have 3 x d3, it will most likely average out at a very respectable 6 shots, as the chances of rolling 1,1,1 or 3,3,3 are pretty slim.
Also you have to consider how casters can buff it, Ossyan can give it Fortune and additional damage die on the feat, Gorshade4 and Elara2 can make it effective pow 15, Issyria can give it signs and portents and True Sight with her feat, and psuedo buff its rat with Blinding Light, Ravyn can boost all of its attack rolls and Snipe it.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2018 16:04:23 GMT
Do you believe other factions don't have great synergy opportunities with their battle engines? TEP with Orion, War Wagon with Gunny, Calandra or any Grim. And then you have the Storm Strider with Nemo3.
I could list more, but my point is; just because a model can be used well by multiple casters/locks in different ways does not make it OP.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jul 13, 2018 16:16:33 GMT
Do you believe other factions don't have great synergy opportunities with their battle engines? TEP with Orion, War Wagon with Gunny, Calandra or any Grim. And then you have the Storm Strider with Nemo3. I could list more, but my point is; just because a model can be used well by multiple casters/locks in different ways does not make it OP. Play a game and submit it in CID, but most of the battle reports so far conclude it's a bit much
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 13, 2018 17:17:31 GMT
Do you believe other factions don't have great synergy opportunities with their battle engines? TEP with Orion, War Wagon with Gunny, Calandra or any Grim. And then you have the Storm Strider with Nemo3. I could list more, but my point is; just because a model can be used well by multiple casters/locks in different ways does not make it OP. Play a game and submit it in CID, but most of the battle reports so far conclude it's a bit much I would love to, but I don't have that time with my schedule. I'm not trying to be argumentative here. If that's what it looks like, I apologize. I'm just afraid the community may be too critical of what could be a competitive model and the faction may suffer for it. If the majority find it too much, cool, let's fix it. But let's not shoot our own foot in the process.
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