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Post by reddust82 on Jul 11, 2018 14:37:50 GMT
So I’m trying to figure out what 75 point list I want to aim for and I haven’t played a single game with Protectorate yet, but I’m using Sevvy1. And I’m wondering about Deliverer Sunburst Crews. With their support solo, you get 2 POW16/8 continuous fire AOE shots at 16” range with RAT7, 9 if you aim. It costs 10 Points plus a free model slot in the Masses theme to do this. This seems incredibly good to me, especially because the rest of the force is going to move up the board relatively slow. So I’m thinking about getting two crews plus their support solo. Can anyone confirm this is a good choice or am I not seeing something that makes it a bad purchase? I really don’t want to waste money on stuff I’m only going to realize is horrible, so any insight or even anecdotes about their benefits or drawbacks are very welcome!
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 11, 2018 14:41:20 GMT
Sevy1 gunline with sunbursts is absolutely amazing. Do it!
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 11, 2018 17:29:14 GMT
Sunbursts are a fine artillery piece and provide us ready access to CE: Fire without the need for a direct hit (very valuable). My only issue with them right now is that they are only in Faithful Masses, but Sevy1 supports ranged lists well and Sunbursts are worthy of consideration. I don't view it a waste at all.
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Post by mydnight on Jul 12, 2018 1:22:03 GMT
2 sunburst+officer=max unit of delivers. Deliverers are more survivable, more range and flexible, but sunburst has auto fire. Sometimes 5" aoe with arcing fire is gold, sometime auto fire is.
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 12, 2018 2:31:24 GMT
I'm finding that recent meta shifts have really got me wanting CE Fire. It is almost to the point where I am considering Feora2 again, but there's so little on her it's still holding me back.
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Post by dicebedamned on Jul 12, 2018 11:29:50 GMT
Delivers dont hit anywhere near as accurate as sunbursts tho.
To the OP, I have run them as a pair without the solo in Sevi1 listss and enjoyed the results. The Solo will only make them better.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 12, 2018 13:06:27 GMT
Delivers dont hit anywhere near as accurate as sunbursts tho. To the OP, I have run them as a pair without the solo in Sevi1 listss and enjoyed the results. The Solo will only make them better. A minimum sized deliverer unit CRA is Rat 7. So I think that’s more accurate than Rat 5. It’s also AoE 5 and Pow 16/11 instead of AoE 4 Pow 15/8 Fire
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Post by paradox on Jul 12, 2018 13:48:26 GMT
No fire on deliverers tho. And 12/11 on 6-10 dudes. They are not durable. Neither unit is.
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Post by greytemplar on Jul 12, 2018 14:37:01 GMT
Well it’s not either/or. My list for this uses both.
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Post by paradox on Jul 12, 2018 14:41:34 GMT
Well it’s not either/or. My list for this uses both. The deliverers of all stripes got to a good place with their updates.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 12, 2018 14:50:45 GMT
I actually had a "blast" playing a list similar to this one a few times: [Kreoss 1] High Exemplar Kreoss [+29] - Judicator [35] - Hierophant [3] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Pop and drop. If its a low arm caster pepper with Pow 10's If its an High arm Caster, you get 4 Pow 15's, 2 Pow 16's and Potentially some misc other shooting. Champs jam and contest with the idrians while the enemy takes an abusrd amount of fire
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Post by Hashmal on Jul 12, 2018 18:33:03 GMT
I like that list mac. May try something similar assuming I can find my second squad of Deliverers.
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Post by macdaddy on Jul 13, 2018 13:12:38 GMT
I like that list mac. May try something similar assuming I can find my second squad of Deliverers. My previous list struggles with scenario a bit, But I added some more contesting pieces so it should be a bit better into scenario
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Post by correlion on Jul 15, 2018 20:38:11 GMT
deliverers can't use CRA against stealth and against targets in melee.
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Post by demonic on Jul 16, 2018 0:12:19 GMT
using Sevvy1 is key when doing the pop and drops, as the added one is for ALL attack and damage rolls, meaning it counts for multi spray targets and collateral damage rolls as well CRA at 5 for skyhammers is 16 on base, 11 on collateral. The way CRA works on AoEs is that you take the base, half it, and then add the number of models, meaning 10 goes down to 5 then + 5 for the cra and + 1 more for Sevvy1 ^-^ The sunburst crew is important for girded and dug in units. Even if they do not receive blast damage, they are still lit on fire. I have a list that involves 2 full units of skyhammers and 2 sunburst crews that I originally just made for shits and giggles. Turns out it's really effective against factions like Cygnar, which likes to use high def spams, ranged attacks, and light jacks.
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